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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
And what was wrong with these "Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the
60 degree V6's"? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ calcerise@hotmail.com wrote: > > There were a lot of them. There still are. > > GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact > they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year > period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to > with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an > entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the > horrible Neon. > > For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers > bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's > passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their > big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status > rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. > Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. > If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins > and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably > be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's > who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual > work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like > the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. > > And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based > on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of > lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and > overall operating expense. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion > diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't > say 'never' again! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion > diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't > say 'never' again! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion > diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't > say 'never' again! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion > diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't > say 'never' again! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in > general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, > Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had > a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is > not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in > general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, > Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had > a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is > not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in > general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, > Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had > a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is > not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in > general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, > Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had > a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is > not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with > economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything > wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. You got arguing with a brick wall correct... I also restated that they don't pull 80 book hours every week - that week to week it varies based on their output, and that the original statement was a simplified one where I simply did some crude math. Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their trade. Yeah, they're not poor... Let me say this: You're comparing apples and oranges. $20 an hour on a normal job isn't that much money. But, $20 an hour on a flat rate basis, where you get paid on book time is a world different. It's not the same... You're obviously too stupid to understand that point... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with > economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything > wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. You got arguing with a brick wall correct... I also restated that they don't pull 80 book hours every week - that week to week it varies based on their output, and that the original statement was a simplified one where I simply did some crude math. Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their trade. Yeah, they're not poor... Let me say this: You're comparing apples and oranges. $20 an hour on a normal job isn't that much money. But, $20 an hour on a flat rate basis, where you get paid on book time is a world different. It's not the same... You're obviously too stupid to understand that point... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with > economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything > wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. You got arguing with a brick wall correct... I also restated that they don't pull 80 book hours every week - that week to week it varies based on their output, and that the original statement was a simplified one where I simply did some crude math. Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their trade. Yeah, they're not poor... Let me say this: You're comparing apples and oranges. $20 an hour on a normal job isn't that much money. But, $20 an hour on a flat rate basis, where you get paid on book time is a world different. It's not the same... You're obviously too stupid to understand that point... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with > economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything > wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. You got arguing with a brick wall correct... I also restated that they don't pull 80 book hours every week - that week to week it varies based on their output, and that the original statement was a simplified one where I simply did some crude math. Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their trade. Yeah, they're not poor... Let me say this: You're comparing apples and oranges. $20 an hour on a normal job isn't that much money. But, $20 an hour on a flat rate basis, where you get paid on book time is a world different. It's not the same... You're obviously too stupid to understand that point... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic > competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one > year? I'm not sure... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic > competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one > year? I'm not sure... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic > competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one > year? I'm not sure... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic > competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one > year? I'm not sure... -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. Wha t reputation? They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around then? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. Wha t reputation? They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around then? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. Wha t reputation? They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around then? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. Wha t reputation? They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around then? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> And what was wrong with these "Vega, A much shorter essay would be the list of what was right with the Vega. The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> And what was wrong with these "Vega, A much shorter essay would be the list of what was right with the Vega. The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> And what was wrong with these "Vega, A much shorter essay would be the list of what was right with the Vega. The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> And what was wrong with these "Vega, A much shorter essay would be the list of what was right with the Vega. The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Geez, don't just say they had a reputation for being inferior,
without telling me what you thought was inferior? I didn't like shifting from their dash, I didn't like their little economy engines, in little bodies with fender skirts, and fish bowl appearance. They had refrigerator door handles because the big three, had the patens on all the push buttons. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote: > > > AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation? > > They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around > then? > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Geez, don't just say they had a reputation for being inferior,
without telling me what you thought was inferior? I didn't like shifting from their dash, I didn't like their little economy engines, in little bodies with fender skirts, and fish bowl appearance. They had refrigerator door handles because the big three, had the patens on all the push buttons. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote: > > > AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation? > > They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around > then? > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Geez, don't just say they had a reputation for being inferior,
without telling me what you thought was inferior? I didn't like shifting from their dash, I didn't like their little economy engines, in little bodies with fender skirts, and fish bowl appearance. They had refrigerator door handles because the big three, had the patens on all the push buttons. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote: > > > AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation? > > They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around > then? > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Geez, don't just say they had a reputation for being inferior,
without telling me what you thought was inferior? I didn't like shifting from their dash, I didn't like their little economy engines, in little bodies with fender skirts, and fish bowl appearance. They had refrigerator door handles because the big three, had the patens on all the push buttons. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote: > > > AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation? > > They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around > then? > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! I'll give you one! They had an
aluminum, steel sleeved engine which meant, like all modern engines you must change the coolant by every two years, otherwise like all engines of today electrolysis destroys the block, same with the Buick aluminum V8 engine which work perfect in the Land Rover. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ RJR wrote: > > The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! I'll give you one! They had an
aluminum, steel sleeved engine which meant, like all modern engines you must change the coolant by every two years, otherwise like all engines of today electrolysis destroys the block, same with the Buick aluminum V8 engine which work perfect in the Land Rover. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ RJR wrote: > > The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! I'll give you one! They had an
aluminum, steel sleeved engine which meant, like all modern engines you must change the coolant by every two years, otherwise like all engines of today electrolysis destroys the block, same with the Buick aluminum V8 engine which work perfect in the Land Rover. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ RJR wrote: > > The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! I'll give you one! They had an
aluminum, steel sleeved engine which meant, like all modern engines you must change the coolant by every two years, otherwise like all engines of today electrolysis destroys the block, same with the Buick aluminum V8 engine which work perfect in the Land Rover. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ RJR wrote: > > The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the worst rust bucket I ever saw. Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the worst rust bucket I ever saw. Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the worst rust bucket I ever saw. Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the worst rust bucket I ever saw. Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:a59ec$42993ee1$422aaa8f$6586@FUSE.NET... > Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that > make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford > those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their > trade. Yeah, they're not poor... i never said anything about them being "poor". i stated that they were lower middle class incomes. get it right. > You're obviously too stupid to understand that point... coming from someone who claims dealership mechanics earn $83,000 a year ill just consider the source and smile. :-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:a59ec$42993ee1$422aaa8f$6586@FUSE.NET... > Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that > make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford > those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their > trade. Yeah, they're not poor... i never said anything about them being "poor". i stated that they were lower middle class incomes. get it right. > You're obviously too stupid to understand that point... coming from someone who claims dealership mechanics earn $83,000 a year ill just consider the source and smile. :-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:a59ec$42993ee1$422aaa8f$6586@FUSE.NET... > Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that > make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford > those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their > trade. Yeah, they're not poor... i never said anything about them being "poor". i stated that they were lower middle class incomes. get it right. > You're obviously too stupid to understand that point... coming from someone who claims dealership mechanics earn $83,000 a year ill just consider the source and smile. :-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
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