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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
What reliability problems were there? People bashing American
products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Ruel Smith wrote: > > I was referring to AMC not being known for reliability, though I'm aware of > how great those 242/258 inline sixes are. > > It was a bad day when that clutch let go... > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
There were a lot of them. There still are.
GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the horrible Neon. For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and overall operating expense. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
There were a lot of them. There still are.
GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the horrible Neon. For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and overall operating expense. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
There were a lot of them. There still are.
GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the horrible Neon. For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and overall operating expense. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
There were a lot of them. There still are.
GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the horrible Neon. For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and overall operating expense. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:42962D6A.3B7398FC@cox.net... > Witches are something Salem dreamed up. Salem was before the Bible? >Most of my ancestors were > pagan, anyway. Actually, most of your ancestors were probably single-celled organisms... >I just want to use the Bible card to thump the near and > far east. I believe Bush has permission to use the bomb. Let's do it! You're not religious... you're evil! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:42962D6A.3B7398FC@cox.net... > Witches are something Salem dreamed up. Salem was before the Bible? >Most of my ancestors were > pagan, anyway. Actually, most of your ancestors were probably single-celled organisms... >I just want to use the Bible card to thump the near and > far east. I believe Bush has permission to use the bomb. Let's do it! You're not religious... you're evil! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:42962D6A.3B7398FC@cox.net... > Witches are something Salem dreamed up. Salem was before the Bible? >Most of my ancestors were > pagan, anyway. Actually, most of your ancestors were probably single-celled organisms... >I just want to use the Bible card to thump the near and > far east. I believe Bush has permission to use the bomb. Let's do it! You're not religious... you're evil! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:42962D6A.3B7398FC@cox.net... > Witches are something Salem dreamed up. Salem was before the Bible? >Most of my ancestors were > pagan, anyway. Actually, most of your ancestors were probably single-celled organisms... >I just want to use the Bible card to thump the near and > far east. I believe Bush has permission to use the bomb. Let's do it! You're not religious... you're evil! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1117158647.660339.267030@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... Not a troll, Bill. If you would read what was written you would plainly see that I did not say a coal mining company used a Toyota. What I did say was that several real men and women who make their living off the mineral industries that support our community choose to spend their hard earned money on Japanese trucks. The local coal mining company uses Ford and GM products. Maybe you should be a little more attentive and a little slower to jump to conclusions and insult people. You notice that I didn't call you an dickhead right out of the gate. Sometimes you can be the most helpful person on this group, but other times you seem short on ears and long on mouth. By the way, I am happy you have had good luck with your Ford. I can *guarantee* that the aforementioned Ford is not a '93 Taurus... __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1117158647.660339.267030@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... Not a troll, Bill. If you would read what was written you would plainly see that I did not say a coal mining company used a Toyota. What I did say was that several real men and women who make their living off the mineral industries that support our community choose to spend their hard earned money on Japanese trucks. The local coal mining company uses Ford and GM products. Maybe you should be a little more attentive and a little slower to jump to conclusions and insult people. You notice that I didn't call you an dickhead right out of the gate. Sometimes you can be the most helpful person on this group, but other times you seem short on ears and long on mouth. By the way, I am happy you have had good luck with your Ford. I can *guarantee* that the aforementioned Ford is not a '93 Taurus... __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1117158647.660339.267030@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... Not a troll, Bill. If you would read what was written you would plainly see that I did not say a coal mining company used a Toyota. What I did say was that several real men and women who make their living off the mineral industries that support our community choose to spend their hard earned money on Japanese trucks. The local coal mining company uses Ford and GM products. Maybe you should be a little more attentive and a little slower to jump to conclusions and insult people. You notice that I didn't call you an dickhead right out of the gate. Sometimes you can be the most helpful person on this group, but other times you seem short on ears and long on mouth. By the way, I am happy you have had good luck with your Ford. I can *guarantee* that the aforementioned Ford is not a '93 Taurus... __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1117158647.660339.267030@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com... Not a troll, Bill. If you would read what was written you would plainly see that I did not say a coal mining company used a Toyota. What I did say was that several real men and women who make their living off the mineral industries that support our community choose to spend their hard earned money on Japanese trucks. The local coal mining company uses Ford and GM products. Maybe you should be a little more attentive and a little slower to jump to conclusions and insult people. You notice that I didn't call you an dickhead right out of the gate. Sometimes you can be the most helpful person on this group, but other times you seem short on ears and long on mouth. By the way, I am happy you have had good luck with your Ford. I can *guarantee* that the aforementioned Ford is not a '93 Taurus... __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4298C6E7.3D449782@cox.net... > What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't say 'never' again! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4298C6E7.3D449782@cox.net... > What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't say 'never' again! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4298C6E7.3D449782@cox.net... > What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't say 'never' again! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4298C6E7.3D449782@cox.net... > What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't say 'never' again! __ Steve .. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > news:5458e$429871d8$4275e08c$10448@FUSE.NET... >> YOU obviously don't know how it works. > > heh....this coming from a guy who stated that dealership mechanics earn > $83,000 a year. > > good luck. :-) > Did you even read the rest of that post? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > news:5458e$429871d8$4275e08c$10448@FUSE.NET... >> YOU obviously don't know how it works. > > heh....this coming from a guy who stated that dealership mechanics earn > $83,000 a year. > > good luck. :-) > Did you even read the rest of that post? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > news:5458e$429871d8$4275e08c$10448@FUSE.NET... >> YOU obviously don't know how it works. > > heh....this coming from a guy who stated that dealership mechanics earn > $83,000 a year. > > good luck. :-) > Did you even read the rest of that post? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > news:5458e$429871d8$4275e08c$10448@FUSE.NET... >> YOU obviously don't know how it works. > > heh....this coming from a guy who stated that dealership mechanics earn > $83,000 a year. > > good luck. :-) > Did you even read the rest of that post? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. >> I was referring to AMC not being known for reliability, though I'm aware >> of how great those 242/258 inline sixes are. I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. >> I was referring to AMC not being known for reliability, though I'm aware >> of how great those 242/258 inline sixes are. I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. >> I was referring to AMC not being known for reliability, though I'm aware >> of how great those 242/258 inline sixes are. I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> What reliability problems were there? People bashing American > products say that, but are never capable of giving us an example. >> I was referring to AMC not being known for reliability, though I'm aware >> of how great those 242/258 inline sixes are. I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins, Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic
competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one year? |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic
competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one year? |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic
competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one year? |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Actually the AMC products were pretty good, compared to the domestic
competition. Besides, didn't Pacers have the Porsche 924 engine one year? |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:4331f$42992da8$422aaa8f$14202@FUSE.NET... > Did you even read the rest of that post? you said most dealership mechanics make $83,000 a year. here, ill quote you: "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET "Most mechanics turned around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year while working 40 hrs. a week." to even suggest that a dealership mechanic is pulling in anywhere near $80k+ a year is laughable at best and downright sad on the other end. the rest of your post/argument just doesnt matter. that you would further defend such an assinine statement tells me everything i need to know. its just not worth arguing with a brick wall. if this is what you believe then fine and well. i do honestly wish you the best of luck in persuing your goal of being a dealership mechanic. as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:4331f$42992da8$422aaa8f$14202@FUSE.NET... > Did you even read the rest of that post? you said most dealership mechanics make $83,000 a year. here, ill quote you: "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET "Most mechanics turned around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year while working 40 hrs. a week." to even suggest that a dealership mechanic is pulling in anywhere near $80k+ a year is laughable at best and downright sad on the other end. the rest of your post/argument just doesnt matter. that you would further defend such an assinine statement tells me everything i need to know. its just not worth arguing with a brick wall. if this is what you believe then fine and well. i do honestly wish you the best of luck in persuing your goal of being a dealership mechanic. as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
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"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:4331f$42992da8$422aaa8f$14202@FUSE.NET... > Did you even read the rest of that post? you said most dealership mechanics make $83,000 a year. here, ill quote you: "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET "Most mechanics turned around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year while working 40 hrs. a week." to even suggest that a dealership mechanic is pulling in anywhere near $80k+ a year is laughable at best and downright sad on the other end. the rest of your post/argument just doesnt matter. that you would further defend such an assinine statement tells me everything i need to know. its just not worth arguing with a brick wall. if this is what you believe then fine and well. i do honestly wish you the best of luck in persuing your goal of being a dealership mechanic. as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:4331f$42992da8$422aaa8f$14202@FUSE.NET... > Did you even read the rest of that post? you said most dealership mechanics make $83,000 a year. here, ill quote you: "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET "Most mechanics turned around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year while working 40 hrs. a week." to even suggest that a dealership mechanic is pulling in anywhere near $80k+ a year is laughable at best and downright sad on the other end. the rest of your post/argument just doesnt matter. that you would further defend such an assinine statement tells me everything i need to know. its just not worth arguing with a brick wall. if this is what you believe then fine and well. i do honestly wish you the best of luck in persuing your goal of being a dealership mechanic. as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
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You are so ignorant it's pitiful! There's no reference to witches
in any Bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksea...&qs_version=31 And I am a Christian. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Salem was before the Bible? > > Actually, most of your ancestors were probably > single-celled organisms... > > You're not religious... you're evil! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
You are so ignorant it's pitiful! There's no reference to witches
in any Bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksea...&qs_version=31 And I am a Christian. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Salem was before the Bible? > > Actually, most of your ancestors were probably > single-celled organisms... > > You're not religious... you're evil! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
You are so ignorant it's pitiful! There's no reference to witches
in any Bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksea...&qs_version=31 And I am a Christian. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Salem was before the Bible? > > Actually, most of your ancestors were probably > single-celled organisms... > > You're not religious... you're evil! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
You are so ignorant it's pitiful! There's no reference to witches
in any Bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksea...&qs_version=31 And I am a Christian. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Stephen Cowell wrote: > > Salem was before the Bible? > > Actually, most of your ancestors were probably > single-celled organisms... > > You're not religious... you're evil! > __ > Steve > . |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
And what was wrong with these "Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the
60 degree V6's"? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ calcerise@hotmail.com wrote: > > There were a lot of them. There still are. > > GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact > they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year > period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to > with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an > entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the > horrible Neon. > > For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers > bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's > passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their > big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status > rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. > Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. > If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins > and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably > be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's > who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual > work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like > the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. > > And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based > on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of > lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and > overall operating expense. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
And what was wrong with these "Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the
60 degree V6's"? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ calcerise@hotmail.com wrote: > > There were a lot of them. There still are. > > GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact > they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year > period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to > with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an > entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the > horrible Neon. > > For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers > bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's > passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their > big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status > rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. > Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. > If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins > and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably > be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's > who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual > work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like > the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. > > And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based > on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of > lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and > overall operating expense. |
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
And what was wrong with these "Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the
60 degree V6's"? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ calcerise@hotmail.com wrote: > > There were a lot of them. There still are. > > GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact > they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year > period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to > with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an > entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the > horrible Neon. > > For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers > bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's > passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their > big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status > rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck. > Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size. > If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins > and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably > be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's > who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual > work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like > the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar. > > And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based > on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of > lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and > overall operating expense. |
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