Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:1203f$429ce266$4275e5d4$8025@FUSE.NET...
> You do understand that unions fought and died for overtime pay, weekends
> off, vacation, 8 hour days, benefits packages, retirement benefits, etc.,
> don't you?

just like affirmative action, once upon a time the union was necessary.
just like affirmative action, that time has long since passed. the union is
no longer out for the worker, the union is nothing more than self serving
big business....the union is out for the union and the money that goes along
with it.

i cant speak for unskilled labor because i applied myself in order to master
multiple trades. perhaps dumb-asses who cannot survive on their own merit
need a union to protect their jobs (the strong carrying the weak) but i
choose to work in a free market place where only the strong survive and are
paid accordingly.


> saying I'm willing to do the same job for less
> money is like saying I'm willing to pay more than other people for a new
> car. It's retarded.

i dont understand where that came from? im not at all suggesting that
non-union can do it cheaper than union. in fact im paid nearly $5 an hour
more than the union journeymen who work in my field (plus i get
benefits/paid vacation/holiday pay/etc. and they get nothing beyond $26 an
hour). im saying that typical non-union employees can do it _better_ simply
because we stand upon our own merit. we have no other protection beyond our
skills and work ethic.

certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said, but im talking
realistic expectation at least for my geographical area.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:1203f$429ce266$4275e5d4$8025@FUSE.NET...
> You do understand that unions fought and died for overtime pay, weekends
> off, vacation, 8 hour days, benefits packages, retirement benefits, etc.,
> don't you?

just like affirmative action, once upon a time the union was necessary.
just like affirmative action, that time has long since passed. the union is
no longer out for the worker, the union is nothing more than self serving
big business....the union is out for the union and the money that goes along
with it.

i cant speak for unskilled labor because i applied myself in order to master
multiple trades. perhaps dumb-asses who cannot survive on their own merit
need a union to protect their jobs (the strong carrying the weak) but i
choose to work in a free market place where only the strong survive and are
paid accordingly.


> saying I'm willing to do the same job for less
> money is like saying I'm willing to pay more than other people for a new
> car. It's retarded.

i dont understand where that came from? im not at all suggesting that
non-union can do it cheaper than union. in fact im paid nearly $5 an hour
more than the union journeymen who work in my field (plus i get
benefits/paid vacation/holiday pay/etc. and they get nothing beyond $26 an
hour). im saying that typical non-union employees can do it _better_ simply
because we stand upon our own merit. we have no other protection beyond our
skills and work ethic.

certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said, but im talking
realistic expectation at least for my geographical area.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:1203f$429ce266$4275e5d4$8025@FUSE.NET...
> You do understand that unions fought and died for overtime pay, weekends
> off, vacation, 8 hour days, benefits packages, retirement benefits, etc.,
> don't you?

just like affirmative action, once upon a time the union was necessary.
just like affirmative action, that time has long since passed. the union is
no longer out for the worker, the union is nothing more than self serving
big business....the union is out for the union and the money that goes along
with it.

i cant speak for unskilled labor because i applied myself in order to master
multiple trades. perhaps dumb-asses who cannot survive on their own merit
need a union to protect their jobs (the strong carrying the weak) but i
choose to work in a free market place where only the strong survive and are
paid accordingly.


> saying I'm willing to do the same job for less
> money is like saying I'm willing to pay more than other people for a new
> car. It's retarded.

i dont understand where that came from? im not at all suggesting that
non-union can do it cheaper than union. in fact im paid nearly $5 an hour
more than the union journeymen who work in my field (plus i get
benefits/paid vacation/holiday pay/etc. and they get nothing beyond $26 an
hour). im saying that typical non-union employees can do it _better_ simply
because we stand upon our own merit. we have no other protection beyond our
skills and work ethic.

certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said, but im talking
realistic expectation at least for my geographical area.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Re: Where to move to
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Try Tijuana, it get old fast.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohnM wrote:
>
>>Geez, that sounds like part of what makes it a nice place..

I'll have to ask you what Tijuana has to do with Japan..

John

Re: Where to move to
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Try Tijuana, it get old fast.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohnM wrote:
>
>>Geez, that sounds like part of what makes it a nice place..

I'll have to ask you what Tijuana has to do with Japan..

John

Re: Where to move to
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Try Tijuana, it get old fast.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohnM wrote:
>
>>Geez, that sounds like part of what makes it a nice place..

I'll have to ask you what Tijuana has to do with Japan..

John

Re: Where to move to
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Try Tijuana, it get old fast.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohnM wrote:
>
>>Geez, that sounds like part of what makes it a nice place..

I'll have to ask you what Tijuana has to do with Japan..

John

Re: Where to move to
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> America, love it, or leave it! You got a problem with that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohnM wrote:
>
>>Geez, bill, why so nasty?

You must be awful frustrated in real life to be getting on here with
random nastiness toward those who have opinions which you don't like.

Would you like to talk about it?

John

Re: Where to move to
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> America, love it, or leave it! You got a problem with that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohnM wrote:
>
>>Geez, bill, why so nasty?

You must be awful frustrated in real life to be getting on here with
random nastiness toward those who have opinions which you don't like.

Would you like to talk about it?

John

Re: Where to move to
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> America, love it, or leave it! You got a problem with that?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JohnM wrote:
>
>>Geez, bill, why so nasty?

You must be awful frustrated in real life to be getting on here with
random nastiness toward those who have opinions which you don't like.

Would you like to talk about it?

John