Detroit Vs Japan
05-30-2005, 02:07 PM
#611
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
calcerise@hotmail.com proclaimed:
> Mostly, they were just geeky and unpopular. Usually they ran a long
> time, but little things like interior and trim would give trouble,
> being-like Mopar's-inferior to GM.
>
Yeah, I used to run a bored and stroked 427. Got my *** kicked by
those "inferior" Mopars quite frequently. The early Nash vehicles
were actually hotrods of the day, in particular the twin ignition
straight eights with overdrive. As were also the 6 banger Hudsons.
It wasn't until the mid-50's and the Ramblers that they went to the
cheap side...but with rambler seats to help with the post-war
population issue. And even then you had vehicles like the Nash-
Healey to add muscle to the better-handling but underpowered
Brit cars. The AMC 343/390 were quite competitive with body
quality not really any worse than their Mopar rivals, but at
least the AMC models still had ceramic coated exhaust systems.
And were virtually unbreakable.
> Mostly, they were just geeky and unpopular. Usually they ran a long
> time, but little things like interior and trim would give trouble,
> being-like Mopar's-inferior to GM.
>
Yeah, I used to run a bored and stroked 427. Got my *** kicked by
those "inferior" Mopars quite frequently. The early Nash vehicles
were actually hotrods of the day, in particular the twin ignition
straight eights with overdrive. As were also the 6 banger Hudsons.
It wasn't until the mid-50's and the Ramblers that they went to the
cheap side...but with rambler seats to help with the post-war
population issue. And even then you had vehicles like the Nash-
Healey to add muscle to the better-handling but underpowered
Brit cars. The AMC 343/390 were quite competitive with body
quality not really any worse than their Mopar rivals, but at
least the AMC models still had ceramic coated exhaust systems.
And were virtually unbreakable.
05-30-2005, 02:07 PM
#612
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Posts: n/a
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
calcerise@hotmail.com proclaimed:
> Mostly, they were just geeky and unpopular. Usually they ran a long
> time, but little things like interior and trim would give trouble,
> being-like Mopar's-inferior to GM.
>
Yeah, I used to run a bored and stroked 427. Got my *** kicked by
those "inferior" Mopars quite frequently. The early Nash vehicles
were actually hotrods of the day, in particular the twin ignition
straight eights with overdrive. As were also the 6 banger Hudsons.
It wasn't until the mid-50's and the Ramblers that they went to the
cheap side...but with rambler seats to help with the post-war
population issue. And even then you had vehicles like the Nash-
Healey to add muscle to the better-handling but underpowered
Brit cars. The AMC 343/390 were quite competitive with body
quality not really any worse than their Mopar rivals, but at
least the AMC models still had ceramic coated exhaust systems.
And were virtually unbreakable.
> Mostly, they were just geeky and unpopular. Usually they ran a long
> time, but little things like interior and trim would give trouble,
> being-like Mopar's-inferior to GM.
>
Yeah, I used to run a bored and stroked 427. Got my *** kicked by
those "inferior" Mopars quite frequently. The early Nash vehicles
were actually hotrods of the day, in particular the twin ignition
straight eights with overdrive. As were also the 6 banger Hudsons.
It wasn't until the mid-50's and the Ramblers that they went to the
cheap side...but with rambler seats to help with the post-war
population issue. And even then you had vehicles like the Nash-
Healey to add muscle to the better-handling but underpowered
Brit cars. The AMC 343/390 were quite competitive with body
quality not really any worse than their Mopar rivals, but at
least the AMC models still had ceramic coated exhaust systems.
And were virtually unbreakable.
05-30-2005, 02:07 PM
#613
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Posts: n/a
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
calcerise@hotmail.com proclaimed:
> Mostly, they were just geeky and unpopular. Usually they ran a long
> time, but little things like interior and trim would give trouble,
> being-like Mopar's-inferior to GM.
>
Yeah, I used to run a bored and stroked 427. Got my *** kicked by
those "inferior" Mopars quite frequently. The early Nash vehicles
were actually hotrods of the day, in particular the twin ignition
straight eights with overdrive. As were also the 6 banger Hudsons.
It wasn't until the mid-50's and the Ramblers that they went to the
cheap side...but with rambler seats to help with the post-war
population issue. And even then you had vehicles like the Nash-
Healey to add muscle to the better-handling but underpowered
Brit cars. The AMC 343/390 were quite competitive with body
quality not really any worse than their Mopar rivals, but at
least the AMC models still had ceramic coated exhaust systems.
And were virtually unbreakable.
> Mostly, they were just geeky and unpopular. Usually they ran a long
> time, but little things like interior and trim would give trouble,
> being-like Mopar's-inferior to GM.
>
Yeah, I used to run a bored and stroked 427. Got my *** kicked by
those "inferior" Mopars quite frequently. The early Nash vehicles
were actually hotrods of the day, in particular the twin ignition
straight eights with overdrive. As were also the 6 banger Hudsons.
It wasn't until the mid-50's and the Ramblers that they went to the
cheap side...but with rambler seats to help with the post-war
population issue. And even then you had vehicles like the Nash-
Healey to add muscle to the better-handling but underpowered
Brit cars. The AMC 343/390 were quite competitive with body
quality not really any worse than their Mopar rivals, but at
least the AMC models still had ceramic coated exhaust systems.
And were virtually unbreakable.
05-30-2005, 02:12 PM
#614
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ok, have fun, I will ignore you from now on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 02:12 PM
#615
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Posts: n/a
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ok, have fun, I will ignore you from now on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 02:12 PM
#616
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ok, have fun, I will ignore you from now on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 02:12 PM
#617
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Ok, have fun, I will ignore you from now on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > -------- and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed are:
>
> -Jeep/****** history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 02:14 PM
#618
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:54235$429b241a$422aaa7c$12188@FUSE.NET...
> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:54235$429b241a$422aaa7c$12188@FUSE.NET...
> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
05-30-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:54235$429b241a$422aaa7c$12188@FUSE.NET...
> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:54235$429b241a$422aaa7c$12188@FUSE.NET...
> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
05-30-2005, 02:14 PM
#620
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:54235$429b241a$422aaa7c$12188@FUSE.NET...
> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
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Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
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> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
