Nathan In Montana

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, I knew that. I just couldn't resist.

gotcha. :-)


> Anyway, people buy these huge
> monster trucks and Suburbans (I have a Suburban myself) not just for their
> looks and cargo capacity, but for the belief that they are protected in
> case
> of an accident. And I have to agree with this reasoning somewhat,
> although
> the price of fuel skews things.

my boy was sitting at the point of impact. despite all the damage to the
truck, he never stopped playing his video game. although i can only get
18-19 mpg when i try really hard, my wife can consistantly get 20-21 mpg
which isnt bad at all for a truck weighing 4 tons.


> You think there is a "yuppie-ride" that
> measures up now?

we're going to look at h1s the next time we go down to denver, but we're
also looking at new suburbans and even the god-awful h2.

--
Nathan in Montana
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Nathan In Montana

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45d7377b$0$2189$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Yeah, I knew that. I just couldn't resist.

gotcha. :-)


> Anyway, people buy these huge
> monster trucks and Suburbans (I have a Suburban myself) not just for their
> looks and cargo capacity, but for the belief that they are protected in
> case
> of an accident. And I have to agree with this reasoning somewhat,
> although
> the price of fuel skews things.

my boy was sitting at the point of impact. despite all the damage to the
truck, he never stopped playing his video game. although i can only get
18-19 mpg when i try really hard, my wife can consistantly get 20-21 mpg
which isnt bad at all for a truck weighing 4 tons.


> You think there is a "yuppie-ride" that
> measures up now?

we're going to look at h1s the next time we go down to denver, but we're
also looking at new suburbans and even the god-awful h2.

--
Nathan in Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com

Nathan In Montana

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45d7377b$0$2189$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Yeah, I knew that. I just couldn't resist.

gotcha. :-)


> Anyway, people buy these huge
> monster trucks and Suburbans (I have a Suburban myself) not just for their
> looks and cargo capacity, but for the belief that they are protected in
> case
> of an accident. And I have to agree with this reasoning somewhat,
> although
> the price of fuel skews things.

my boy was sitting at the point of impact. despite all the damage to the
truck, he never stopped playing his video game. although i can only get
18-19 mpg when i try really hard, my wife can consistantly get 20-21 mpg
which isnt bad at all for a truck weighing 4 tons.


> You think there is a "yuppie-ride" that
> measures up now?

we're going to look at h1s the next time we go down to denver, but we're
also looking at new suburbans and even the god-awful h2.

--
Nathan in Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com

Nathan In Montana

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote in message
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>> when they water down their name by using it to sell
>> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage.
>
> That's just sentimental --------. If they stop selling actual off-roader
> then there'd be a problem of "heritage". But meanwhile they're selling
> units to keep revenues up so they can also make the off-roaders. Can't
> have
> one without the other and this has been true for quite a while.

one problem with your theory. the soft-roaders arent selling.

--
Nathan in Montana
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http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com

Nathan In Montana

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote in message
news:o8idnX4f0JLRpErYnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> when they water down their name by using it to sell
>> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage.
>
> That's just sentimental --------. If they stop selling actual off-roader
> then there'd be a problem of "heritage". But meanwhile they're selling
> units to keep revenues up so they can also make the off-roaders. Can't
> have
> one without the other and this has been true for quite a while.

one problem with your theory. the soft-roaders arent selling.

--
Nathan in Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com

Nathan In Montana

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote in message
news:o8idnX4f0JLRpErYnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> when they water down their name by using it to sell
>> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage.
>
> That's just sentimental --------. If they stop selling actual off-roader
> then there'd be a problem of "heritage". But meanwhile they're selling
> units to keep revenues up so they can also make the off-roaders. Can't
> have
> one without the other and this has been true for quite a while.

one problem with your theory. the soft-roaders arent selling.

--
Nathan in Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com

Lon

However Dave, allow me to point out that a Jeep by Microsoft would allow
anyone ELSE to drive it, in particular sociopathic 12 year old script
kiddies. Or in the latest edition, by anyone playing a tape of voice
controls instructing the Jeep to drive away without you.

To be fair, a Linux Jeep would have a user interface that almost doesn't
suck but crashes randomly over even stupider things than a Microsoft
one, and for some reason none of the engineers could be bothered to read
architectural standards, so the camshafts would be rotating backwards
with an epicycle just because someone thought it would be TR3WLY K3WL to
do so.


Dave Milne proclaimed:

> Matt,
>
> A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
> or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
> initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
> as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
> 8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
> easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
> would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
> last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
> off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
> couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
> to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
> voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
>>Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
>>the ECM every other day.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Lon

However Dave, allow me to point out that a Jeep by Microsoft would allow
anyone ELSE to drive it, in particular sociopathic 12 year old script
kiddies. Or in the latest edition, by anyone playing a tape of voice
controls instructing the Jeep to drive away without you.

To be fair, a Linux Jeep would have a user interface that almost doesn't
suck but crashes randomly over even stupider things than a Microsoft
one, and for some reason none of the engineers could be bothered to read
architectural standards, so the camshafts would be rotating backwards
with an epicycle just because someone thought it would be TR3WLY K3WL to
do so.


Dave Milne proclaimed:

> Matt,
>
> A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
> or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
> initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
> as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
> 8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
> easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
> would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
> last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
> off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
> couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
> to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
> voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
>>Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
>>the ECM every other day.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Lon

However Dave, allow me to point out that a Jeep by Microsoft would allow
anyone ELSE to drive it, in particular sociopathic 12 year old script
kiddies. Or in the latest edition, by anyone playing a tape of voice
controls instructing the Jeep to drive away without you.

To be fair, a Linux Jeep would have a user interface that almost doesn't
suck but crashes randomly over even stupider things than a Microsoft
one, and for some reason none of the engineers could be bothered to read
architectural standards, so the camshafts would be rotating backwards
with an epicycle just because someone thought it would be TR3WLY K3WL to
do so.


Dave Milne proclaimed:

> Matt,
>
> A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
> or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
> initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
> as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
> 8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
> easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
> would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
> last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
> off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
> couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
> to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
> voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
>>Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
>>the ECM every other day.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Lon

Bill Kearney proclaimed:

>>when they water down their name by using it to sell
>>soft-roaders they also water down their heritage.
>
>
> That's just sentimental --------. If they stop selling actual off-roader
> then there'd be a problem of "heritage". But meanwhile they're selling
> units to keep revenues up so they can also make the off-roaders. Can't have
> one without the other and this has been true for quite a while.
>
Even though the actual percentage of Jeep owners who actually do wander
off the nearest Walmart parking lot is possibly higher than for other
makes, I'd be willing to bet it is still a minority of even Rubicon
models that are still bought for off roading as opposed to image or
necessity.

It would be nice to see Jeep make ALL models truly trailworthy, then aim
them at the different market segments so they might have enough sales
volume to either survive or keep the price of a basic Wrangler from
hitting $100K As for off road, a Range Rover with ride height
control may not be as fast in a straight line or in the twisties as an
SRT8 Cherokee, but I'd bet it would get more than 20 feet off the
Interstate and be able to get back...unlike the SRT8. Too bad Mercedes
doesn't have a good ride height control technology, at least that way
the Grands could have decent on road cruising and still have some
illusion of being at least moderate trail ready.

Personally I'd like to see the non-trail models go away, but have no
problem with something like an SRT6 Wrangler or SRT8 Grand that has a
suspension that would allow it to survive all but possibly the most hard
core trails. Street rods have done a lot for a lot lesser makes, e.g.
the 396 and secret 427 El Caminos that were otherwise a piece of crap.