Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Roughly 12/17/03 08:53, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:

> 4WD vehicles (including Jeeps) don't need chains or studs. Being a Sahara
> it may have the Trac-Lock rear, that along with front wheel help. Have you
> not driven it snow yet? There is an earlier thread on this subject
> (11-24-03) you may want to read
>

Although it may be true that some folks don't think 4WD vehicles
need chains, there are other folks, say the California Highway
Patrol, that have an exactly opposite opinion should the driver
care to be allowed past their checkpoints. Under moderate conditions,
the 4wd just needs snow tires with either M+S or the newer arctic
logo, but must carry chains [dunno how rigorously that is enforced].
When it gets bad, even the 4wd must mount chains or take a break.

Personally I prefer studs for snot ice, which work very nicely
with 4wd. Particularly if you like STOPPING which 4wd doesn't
really help a whole lot with.

If the tire isn't too oversize or there is good lift, the high
priced cable chains will usually clear. Unfortunately the owners
manual does say verboten.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Roughly 12/17/03 08:53, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:

> 4WD vehicles (including Jeeps) don't need chains or studs. Being a Sahara
> it may have the Trac-Lock rear, that along with front wheel help. Have you
> not driven it snow yet? There is an earlier thread on this subject
> (11-24-03) you may want to read
>

Although it may be true that some folks don't think 4WD vehicles
need chains, there are other folks, say the California Highway
Patrol, that have an exactly opposite opinion should the driver
care to be allowed past their checkpoints. Under moderate conditions,
the 4wd just needs snow tires with either M+S or the newer arctic
logo, but must carry chains [dunno how rigorously that is enforced].
When it gets bad, even the 4wd must mount chains or take a break.

Personally I prefer studs for snot ice, which work very nicely
with 4wd. Particularly if you like STOPPING which 4wd doesn't
really help a whole lot with.

If the tire isn't too oversize or there is good lift, the high
priced cable chains will usually clear. Unfortunately the owners
manual does say verboten.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Roughly 12/17/03 08:53, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:

> 4WD vehicles (including Jeeps) don't need chains or studs. Being a Sahara
> it may have the Trac-Lock rear, that along with front wheel help. Have you
> not driven it snow yet? There is an earlier thread on this subject
> (11-24-03) you may want to read
>

Although it may be true that some folks don't think 4WD vehicles
need chains, there are other folks, say the California Highway
Patrol, that have an exactly opposite opinion should the driver
care to be allowed past their checkpoints. Under moderate conditions,
the 4wd just needs snow tires with either M+S or the newer arctic
logo, but must carry chains [dunno how rigorously that is enforced].
When it gets bad, even the 4wd must mount chains or take a break.

Personally I prefer studs for snot ice, which work very nicely
with 4wd. Particularly if you like STOPPING which 4wd doesn't
really help a whole lot with.

If the tire isn't too oversize or there is good lift, the high
priced cable chains will usually clear. Unfortunately the owners
manual does say verboten.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Guess I should have been more specific when I started this string. All I really
intend to use the chains for is to pass CA highway check points. However, why
even buy 'em if they won't fit a Sahara... Thanks for all the replies.

Holiday chear to all!

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Guess I should have been more specific when I started this string. All I really
intend to use the chains for is to pass CA highway check points. However, why
even buy 'em if they won't fit a Sahara... Thanks for all the replies.

Holiday chear to all!

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Guess I should have been more specific when I started this string. All I really
intend to use the chains for is to pass CA highway check points. However, why
even buy 'em if they won't fit a Sahara... Thanks for all the replies.

Holiday chear to all!

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Roughly 12/17/03 17:42, Ahoyskpr's monkeys randomly typed:

> Guess I should have been more specific when I started this string. All I really
> intend to use the chains for is to pass CA highway check points. However, why
> even buy 'em if they won't fit a Sahara...

So you can pass those !#@$%!@#$ California highway checkpoints, of
course. This leaves you with options:

o Stay home or wherever you might be on those occasions where the
weather triggers the checkpoints. This tends to be rather often
in some areas as you have to carry them in any snow condition
even in a 4x4.

o Buy a couple cheap sets of chains that you know you'll never put on,
and just plan on staying put for a day at most on those occasions
where you are required to actually mount them on a 4x4 to get
thru a checkpoint. Probably the cheapest alternative since the
really ugly storms tend to be rare.

o Buy a couple sets of the expensive radial cable chains and keep
them tight and don't drive over 15 mph. [Can't recall what speed
the CHP uses for convoying when the weather is really that bad...]
This might include buying a set of slightly smaller winter tires
so the chains will fit.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Roughly 12/17/03 17:42, Ahoyskpr's monkeys randomly typed:

> Guess I should have been more specific when I started this string. All I really
> intend to use the chains for is to pass CA highway check points. However, why
> even buy 'em if they won't fit a Sahara...

So you can pass those !#@$%!@#$ California highway checkpoints, of
course. This leaves you with options:

o Stay home or wherever you might be on those occasions where the
weather triggers the checkpoints. This tends to be rather often
in some areas as you have to carry them in any snow condition
even in a 4x4.

o Buy a couple cheap sets of chains that you know you'll never put on,
and just plan on staying put for a day at most on those occasions
where you are required to actually mount them on a 4x4 to get
thru a checkpoint. Probably the cheapest alternative since the
really ugly storms tend to be rare.

o Buy a couple sets of the expensive radial cable chains and keep
them tight and don't drive over 15 mph. [Can't recall what speed
the CHP uses for convoying when the weather is really that bad...]
This might include buying a set of slightly smaller winter tires
so the chains will fit.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Roughly 12/17/03 17:42, Ahoyskpr's monkeys randomly typed:

> Guess I should have been more specific when I started this string. All I really
> intend to use the chains for is to pass CA highway check points. However, why
> even buy 'em if they won't fit a Sahara...

So you can pass those !#@$%!@#$ California highway checkpoints, of
course. This leaves you with options:

o Stay home or wherever you might be on those occasions where the
weather triggers the checkpoints. This tends to be rather often
in some areas as you have to carry them in any snow condition
even in a 4x4.

o Buy a couple cheap sets of chains that you know you'll never put on,
and just plan on staying put for a day at most on those occasions
where you are required to actually mount them on a 4x4 to get
thru a checkpoint. Probably the cheapest alternative since the
really ugly storms tend to be rare.

o Buy a couple sets of the expensive radial cable chains and keep
them tight and don't drive over 15 mph. [Can't recall what speed
the CHP uses for convoying when the weather is really that bad...]
This might include buying a set of slightly smaller winter tires
so the chains will fit.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: Chains on a Sahara
 

Just curious but what is a "CA highway check points"?

"Ahoyskpr" <ahoyskpr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031217204209.19959.00000453@mb-m01.aol.com...
> Guess I should have been more specific when I started this string. All I
really
> intend to use the chains for is to pass CA highway check points. However,
why
> even buy 'em if they won't fit a Sahara... Thanks for all the replies.
>
> Holiday chear to all!