On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:03 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:

The Partial Psychopath
by Elliott Barker, M.D. and B. Shipton, Ph.D.

In our experience, the dimension that correlates most closely with
psychopathy and which has been identified or is implicit in all
definitions of the illness is the concept of empathy, but empathy
defined in a specific two-part way.
Empathy is loosely thought to be the capacity to put yourself in
another person's shoes. But this seems to be only one part of what
constitutes empathy in relation to the psychopath. What is different
about the psychopath is that he is unaffected or detached emotionally
from the knowledge that he gains by putting himself in your shoes.
Thus, although he is able to very quickly glean during the briefest
encounter with another person a lot of very useful information about
what makes that person tick, this knowledge is simply knowledge to be
used or not as the psychopath chooses. What is missing in psychopaths
is the compelling nature of the appropriate affective response to the
knowledge gained from putting himself in another persons shoes, in the
way that this happens in the normal person. This essential missing
aspect of empathy, even in the severe psychopath, is not in my
experience easily seen and one does not often get a second glimpse of
it if one has been treated to a first one by mistake.

A rather crude example might suffice. A young psychopath who had
inflicted multiple stab wounds on an elderly woman, and was charged
with attempted murder, appeared subdued and appropriately sad about
the offence during the early stages of a first interview. His eyes
were moist as he accurately described how the woman must have felt
during and after the attack. But later in the same interview, after
good rapport had been established, this boy blurted out, "I don't know
what all the fuss is about. The old bag only had a dozen scratches."
To my knowledge, in all his subsequent years in the psychiatric
hospital, he stuck to all the right lines of remorse which he quickly
learned were more appropriate and useful. The bright psychopath, the
experienced psychopath, doesn't stumble like that very often.

With luck and the right question about how the other person's feelings
affected him there will be a barely perceptible pause, or a puzzled
look, or even – rarely - the question, "How am I supposed to feel?"

The second part of this two-part empathy for the normal person is the
automatic, compelling, intuitive, appropriate response to what the
other feels - not the acting out of a chosen script. The psychopath
can follow the same script as a normal person, usually with all the
subtle nuances of a skilled actor - if he chooses to do so. An
untrained observer is very unlikely to note any difference from the
real thing.

Thus the second part of this two-part empathy in a psychopath is the
choosing and acting of a script. Unlike the normal person, he can
choose what script to follow. He is not compelled intuitively or
automatically to react to the way he knows you feel. And unlike the
normal person, he has been told, or learned by observing others, what
he is supposed to feel.

As he rapes you or strangles you he is not compelled to feel your
pain, your terror, your helplessness. There is no automatic,
compelling, intuitive connection between what he knows you feel and
what he feels. There is no way he must feel. Thus there is none of
this kind of restraining force on his behavior. Therein lies the
danger of psychopathy.

Are experiences in the first three years critical in developing this
two-part type of empathy? Yes - if you accept that psychopathy can be
created in the first three years.

For about half a century, we have known one unfailing recipe for
creating psychopaths -- move a child through a dozen foster homes in
the first three years. There are probably other things - genetic,
organic, or biochemical, that can sometimes predispose a person to
psychopathy. But that should not lull us into forgetting the one
never-failing recipe. More importantly, we should be mindful that less
severe disruptions of attachment, like a dozen different caregivers in
the first three years can create partial psychopaths.

If we had an unfakable way to measure this two-part type of empathy we
would be able to correlate such findings with clinical impressions of
severity of psychopathy, whether we are speaking about psychopaths in
prison, in politics, in business, or the day before they kill.

To take the issue further, if a relative incapacity for this two-part
type of empathy is a key ingredient in the makeup of psychopaths, what
are the consequences for society if large numbers of individuals are
functioning without it? Isn't a capacity to be affected by what is
happening to others a necessary component in the makeup of a majority
of persons in order for a group to function as a group? From a
sociological perspective, isn't this one of the functional
prerequisites of any social system? Is there a critical mass for this
type of empathy for a society to survive?




> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
>
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
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>news:k6cah39d0rsgtco6r1p3pqtffbr73tvssu@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:03 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:

The Partial Psychopath
by Elliott Barker, M.D. and B. Shipton, Ph.D.

In our experience, the dimension that correlates most closely with
psychopathy and which has been identified or is implicit in all
definitions of the illness is the concept of empathy, but empathy
defined in a specific two-part way.
Empathy is loosely thought to be the capacity to put yourself in
another person's shoes. But this seems to be only one part of what
constitutes empathy in relation to the psychopath. What is different
about the psychopath is that he is unaffected or detached emotionally
from the knowledge that he gains by putting himself in your shoes.
Thus, although he is able to very quickly glean during the briefest
encounter with another person a lot of very useful information about
what makes that person tick, this knowledge is simply knowledge to be
used or not as the psychopath chooses. What is missing in psychopaths
is the compelling nature of the appropriate affective response to the
knowledge gained from putting himself in another persons shoes, in the
way that this happens in the normal person. This essential missing
aspect of empathy, even in the severe psychopath, is not in my
experience easily seen and one does not often get a second glimpse of
it if one has been treated to a first one by mistake.

A rather crude example might suffice. A young psychopath who had
inflicted multiple stab wounds on an elderly woman, and was charged
with attempted murder, appeared subdued and appropriately sad about
the offence during the early stages of a first interview. His eyes
were moist as he accurately described how the woman must have felt
during and after the attack. But later in the same interview, after
good rapport had been established, this boy blurted out, "I don't know
what all the fuss is about. The old bag only had a dozen scratches."
To my knowledge, in all his subsequent years in the psychiatric
hospital, he stuck to all the right lines of remorse which he quickly
learned were more appropriate and useful. The bright psychopath, the
experienced psychopath, doesn't stumble like that very often.

With luck and the right question about how the other person's feelings
affected him there will be a barely perceptible pause, or a puzzled
look, or even – rarely - the question, "How am I supposed to feel?"

The second part of this two-part empathy for the normal person is the
automatic, compelling, intuitive, appropriate response to what the
other feels - not the acting out of a chosen script. The psychopath
can follow the same script as a normal person, usually with all the
subtle nuances of a skilled actor - if he chooses to do so. An
untrained observer is very unlikely to note any difference from the
real thing.

Thus the second part of this two-part empathy in a psychopath is the
choosing and acting of a script. Unlike the normal person, he can
choose what script to follow. He is not compelled intuitively or
automatically to react to the way he knows you feel. And unlike the
normal person, he has been told, or learned by observing others, what
he is supposed to feel.

As he rapes you or strangles you he is not compelled to feel your
pain, your terror, your helplessness. There is no automatic,
compelling, intuitive connection between what he knows you feel and
what he feels. There is no way he must feel. Thus there is none of
this kind of restraining force on his behavior. Therein lies the
danger of psychopathy.

Are experiences in the first three years critical in developing this
two-part type of empathy? Yes - if you accept that psychopathy can be
created in the first three years.

For about half a century, we have known one unfailing recipe for
creating psychopaths -- move a child through a dozen foster homes in
the first three years. There are probably other things - genetic,
organic, or biochemical, that can sometimes predispose a person to
psychopathy. But that should not lull us into forgetting the one
never-failing recipe. More importantly, we should be mindful that less
severe disruptions of attachment, like a dozen different caregivers in
the first three years can create partial psychopaths.

If we had an unfakable way to measure this two-part type of empathy we
would be able to correlate such findings with clinical impressions of
severity of psychopathy, whether we are speaking about psychopaths in
prison, in politics, in business, or the day before they kill.

To take the issue further, if a relative incapacity for this two-part
type of empathy is a key ingredient in the makeup of psychopaths, what
are the consequences for society if large numbers of individuals are
functioning without it? Isn't a capacity to be affected by what is
happening to others a necessary component in the makeup of a majority
of persons in order for a group to function as a group? From a
sociological perspective, isn't this one of the functional
prerequisites of any social system? Is there a critical mass for this
type of empathy for a society to survive?




> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
>
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:k6cah39d0rsgtco6r1p3pqtffbr73tvssu@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:03 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:

The Partial Psychopath
by Elliott Barker, M.D. and B. Shipton, Ph.D.

In our experience, the dimension that correlates most closely with
psychopathy and which has been identified or is implicit in all
definitions of the illness is the concept of empathy, but empathy
defined in a specific two-part way.
Empathy is loosely thought to be the capacity to put yourself in
another person's shoes. But this seems to be only one part of what
constitutes empathy in relation to the psychopath. What is different
about the psychopath is that he is unaffected or detached emotionally
from the knowledge that he gains by putting himself in your shoes.
Thus, although he is able to very quickly glean during the briefest
encounter with another person a lot of very useful information about
what makes that person tick, this knowledge is simply knowledge to be
used or not as the psychopath chooses. What is missing in psychopaths
is the compelling nature of the appropriate affective response to the
knowledge gained from putting himself in another persons shoes, in the
way that this happens in the normal person. This essential missing
aspect of empathy, even in the severe psychopath, is not in my
experience easily seen and one does not often get a second glimpse of
it if one has been treated to a first one by mistake.

A rather crude example might suffice. A young psychopath who had
inflicted multiple stab wounds on an elderly woman, and was charged
with attempted murder, appeared subdued and appropriately sad about
the offence during the early stages of a first interview. His eyes
were moist as he accurately described how the woman must have felt
during and after the attack. But later in the same interview, after
good rapport had been established, this boy blurted out, "I don't know
what all the fuss is about. The old bag only had a dozen scratches."
To my knowledge, in all his subsequent years in the psychiatric
hospital, he stuck to all the right lines of remorse which he quickly
learned were more appropriate and useful. The bright psychopath, the
experienced psychopath, doesn't stumble like that very often.

With luck and the right question about how the other person's feelings
affected him there will be a barely perceptible pause, or a puzzled
look, or even – rarely - the question, "How am I supposed to feel?"

The second part of this two-part empathy for the normal person is the
automatic, compelling, intuitive, appropriate response to what the
other feels - not the acting out of a chosen script. The psychopath
can follow the same script as a normal person, usually with all the
subtle nuances of a skilled actor - if he chooses to do so. An
untrained observer is very unlikely to note any difference from the
real thing.

Thus the second part of this two-part empathy in a psychopath is the
choosing and acting of a script. Unlike the normal person, he can
choose what script to follow. He is not compelled intuitively or
automatically to react to the way he knows you feel. And unlike the
normal person, he has been told, or learned by observing others, what
he is supposed to feel.

As he rapes you or strangles you he is not compelled to feel your
pain, your terror, your helplessness. There is no automatic,
compelling, intuitive connection between what he knows you feel and
what he feels. There is no way he must feel. Thus there is none of
this kind of restraining force on his behavior. Therein lies the
danger of psychopathy.

Are experiences in the first three years critical in developing this
two-part type of empathy? Yes - if you accept that psychopathy can be
created in the first three years.

For about half a century, we have known one unfailing recipe for
creating psychopaths -- move a child through a dozen foster homes in
the first three years. There are probably other things - genetic,
organic, or biochemical, that can sometimes predispose a person to
psychopathy. But that should not lull us into forgetting the one
never-failing recipe. More importantly, we should be mindful that less
severe disruptions of attachment, like a dozen different caregivers in
the first three years can create partial psychopaths.

If we had an unfakable way to measure this two-part type of empathy we
would be able to correlate such findings with clinical impressions of
severity of psychopathy, whether we are speaking about psychopaths in
prison, in politics, in business, or the day before they kill.

To take the issue further, if a relative incapacity for this two-part
type of empathy is a key ingredient in the makeup of psychopaths, what
are the consequences for society if large numbers of individuals are
functioning without it? Isn't a capacity to be affected by what is
happening to others a necessary component in the makeup of a majority
of persons in order for a group to function as a group? From a
sociological perspective, isn't this one of the functional
prerequisites of any social system? Is there a critical mass for this
type of empathy for a society to survive?




> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
>
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:k6cah39d0rsgtco6r1p3pqtffbr73tvssu@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:40:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:



Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
Norman Doidge
National Post
What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?

That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
"offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.

The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
-- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
treatments really psychotherapy?

Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
concern by definition.

But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.

Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.

The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.

I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
or "negative tapes" in her head.

Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
of mankind how to be remorseless.

But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
be practised.

So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
just say they are beyond therapy.

That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
treatment.

The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
unwillingness to make basic distinctions.

In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
"conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.

> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:l9cah3lsg7qimkm94dsm4s0kjho9lvt1pm@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:40:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:



Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
Norman Doidge
National Post
What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?

That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
"offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.

The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
-- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
treatments really psychotherapy?

Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
concern by definition.

But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.

Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.

The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.

I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
or "negative tapes" in her head.

Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
of mankind how to be remorseless.

But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
be practised.

So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
just say they are beyond therapy.

That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
treatment.

The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
unwillingness to make basic distinctions.

In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
"conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.

> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:l9cah3lsg7qimkm94dsm4s0kjho9lvt1pm@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:40:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:



Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
Norman Doidge
National Post
What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?

That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
"offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.

The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
-- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
treatments really psychotherapy?

Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
concern by definition.

But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.

Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.

The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.

I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
or "negative tapes" in her head.

Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
of mankind how to be remorseless.

But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
be practised.

So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
just say they are beyond therapy.

That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
treatment.

The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
unwillingness to make basic distinctions.

In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
"conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.

> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:l9cah3lsg7qimkm94dsm4s0kjho9lvt1pm@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:41 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:


The serial bully:

is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make
up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment
has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in
private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can
(or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only
the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides;
whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing
enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side
is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is
an act
excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their
capacity to deceive
uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when
peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive
as well as to cover for lack of empathy)
is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of
form - but there's no substance
is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre
most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict
is often described as smooth, slippery, slimy, ingratiating, fawning,
toadying, obsequious, sycophantic
relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others
that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic
manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and
pouring forth the accompanying jargon
is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to
hear and then saying it plausibly
cannot be trusted or relied upon
fails to fulfil commitments
is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional
development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an
adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old
is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
exhibits unusual and inappropriate attitudes to sexual matters, sexual
behaviour and bodily functions; underneath the charming exterior there
are often suspicions or hints of --- discrimination and sexual
harassment, perhaps also sexual dysfunction, sexual inadequacy, sexual
perversion, sexual violence or sexual abuse
in a relationship, is incapable of initiating or sustaining intimacy
holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a
different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs,
foreigners, etc - prejudiced people are unvaryingly unimaginative) but
goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their
personality secret
is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense
of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
has a deep-seated contempt of clients in contrast to his or her
professed compassion
is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and
everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an
immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are
permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic
personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence - but
aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably)
about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables
others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity
displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing
to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their
existence
shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow
and arguments that don't hold water
flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you've never
had a proper conversation
refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer
is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an
adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask
is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise
collate incriminating information about them
is quick to discredit and neutralise anyone who can talk knowledgeably
about antisocial or sociopathic behaviors
may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to held them
accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the
damage caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the
vendetta
is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone
who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account
gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and
emotions (eg guilt)
poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions
when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others,
responds with impatience, irritability and aggression
is arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all
often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic
attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind,
caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and
treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior
and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they
like to be seen and how they are seen by others
is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief
or affiliation
is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty
is mean, stingy, and financially untrustworthy
is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire
is always a taker and never a giver
is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in
their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between
leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation,
trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression,
manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness)
often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles,
entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus
often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is
said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic
or general negative nature apply to him or herself
knows the words but not the song
is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion
and fabrication
sometimes displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially
when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of
accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic
Responsibility

The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and
seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof;
however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing
but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which
normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they
are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its
consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are
doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished
responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should
apply.



> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:u6cah3t8mo6e1h7b6fjvbv4k3ckr0qca79@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:41 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:


The serial bully:

is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make
up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment
has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in
private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can
(or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only
the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides;
whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing
enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side
is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is
an act
excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their
capacity to deceive
uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when
peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive
as well as to cover for lack of empathy)
is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of
form - but there's no substance
is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre
most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict
is often described as smooth, slippery, slimy, ingratiating, fawning,
toadying, obsequious, sycophantic
relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others
that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic
manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and
pouring forth the accompanying jargon
is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to
hear and then saying it plausibly
cannot be trusted or relied upon
fails to fulfil commitments
is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional
development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an
adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old
is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
exhibits unusual and inappropriate attitudes to sexual matters, sexual
behaviour and bodily functions; underneath the charming exterior there
are often suspicions or hints of --- discrimination and sexual
harassment, perhaps also sexual dysfunction, sexual inadequacy, sexual
perversion, sexual violence or sexual abuse
in a relationship, is incapable of initiating or sustaining intimacy
holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a
different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs,
foreigners, etc - prejudiced people are unvaryingly unimaginative) but
goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their
personality secret
is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense
of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
has a deep-seated contempt of clients in contrast to his or her
professed compassion
is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and
everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an
immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are
permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic
personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence - but
aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably)
about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables
others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity
displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing
to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their
existence
shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow
and arguments that don't hold water
flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you've never
had a proper conversation
refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer
is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an
adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask
is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise
collate incriminating information about them
is quick to discredit and neutralise anyone who can talk knowledgeably
about antisocial or sociopathic behaviors
may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to held them
accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the
damage caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the
vendetta
is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone
who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account
gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and
emotions (eg guilt)
poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions
when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others,
responds with impatience, irritability and aggression
is arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all
often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic
attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind,
caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and
treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior
and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they
like to be seen and how they are seen by others
is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief
or affiliation
is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty
is mean, stingy, and financially untrustworthy
is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire
is always a taker and never a giver
is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in
their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between
leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation,
trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression,
manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness)
often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles,
entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus
often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is
said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic
or general negative nature apply to him or herself
knows the words but not the song
is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion
and fabrication
sometimes displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially
when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of
accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic
Responsibility

The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and
seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof;
however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing
but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which
normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they
are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its
consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are
doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished
responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should
apply.



> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:u6cah3t8mo6e1h7b6fjvbv4k3ckr0qca79@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:41 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:


The serial bully:

is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make
up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment
has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in
private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can
(or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only
the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides;
whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing
enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side
is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is
an act
excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their
capacity to deceive
uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when
peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive
as well as to cover for lack of empathy)
is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of
form - but there's no substance
is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre
most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict
is often described as smooth, slippery, slimy, ingratiating, fawning,
toadying, obsequious, sycophantic
relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others
that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic
manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and
pouring forth the accompanying jargon
is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to
hear and then saying it plausibly
cannot be trusted or relied upon
fails to fulfil commitments
is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional
development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an
adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old
is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
exhibits unusual and inappropriate attitudes to sexual matters, sexual
behaviour and bodily functions; underneath the charming exterior there
are often suspicions or hints of --- discrimination and sexual
harassment, perhaps also sexual dysfunction, sexual inadequacy, sexual
perversion, sexual violence or sexual abuse
in a relationship, is incapable of initiating or sustaining intimacy
holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a
different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs,
foreigners, etc - prejudiced people are unvaryingly unimaginative) but
goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their
personality secret
is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense
of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
has a deep-seated contempt of clients in contrast to his or her
professed compassion
is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and
everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an
immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are
permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic
personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence - but
aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably)
about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables
others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity
displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing
to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their
existence
shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow
and arguments that don't hold water
flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you've never
had a proper conversation
refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer
is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an
adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask
is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise
collate incriminating information about them
is quick to discredit and neutralise anyone who can talk knowledgeably
about antisocial or sociopathic behaviors
may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to held them
accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the
damage caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the
vendetta
is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone
who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account
gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and
emotions (eg guilt)
poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions
when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others,
responds with impatience, irritability and aggression
is arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all
often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic
attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind,
caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and
treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior
and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they
like to be seen and how they are seen by others
is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief
or affiliation
is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty
is mean, stingy, and financially untrustworthy
is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire
is always a taker and never a giver
is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in
their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between
leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation,
trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression,
manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness)
often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles,
entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus
often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is
said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic
or general negative nature apply to him or herself
knows the words but not the song
is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion
and fabrication
sometimes displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially
when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of
accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic
Responsibility

The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and
seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof;
however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing
but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which
normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they
are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its
consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are
doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished
responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should
apply.



> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:u6cah3t8mo6e1h7b6fjvbv4k3ckr0qca79@4ax.com.. .
>><nothing as usual>
>

 

There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
******* like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
------.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
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>
>
> How Psychopaths View Their World.
>
> Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a
> potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe
> they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth
> is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about
> friendships or ties. Guggenbuhl-Craig states that they are very
> talented at appearing much more humble than the average person, but
> are hardly so. Some are also able to feign concern about the lower
> classes and profess that they are on the side of the underdog, the
> poor, and so forth. A psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from
> a low socio-economic class), that he dislikes rich people intensely,
> but at the same time, he will inwardly yearn and envy what they
> have. He is like the narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of
> himself through his possessions. Among his possessions are included
> human beings: girlfriends, wives, and children. Some psychopaths can
> even very fond of animals (contrary to the common viewpoint), but
> still view them as objects in relation to themselves.
> The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world
> through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to
> be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one
> who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my
> brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually
> aracist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a
> revolutionary. On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a
> picture of himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy
> type") and some like to see themselves as lonewolves.
> The psychopath may even claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside
> he is nothing but emptiness and greed. Whether or not the psychopath
> is aware of his behaviour is something that is often debated. I do
> believe that psychopaths usually know exactly what they are doing,
> although others suggest that psychopaths are born, not made.
> I believe that psychopathy is primarily genetic. A son with a
> psychopathic father often will be psychopathic as well, especially if
> the father was abusive and/or abandoned the family as well.
> As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being
> their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be
> manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e.
> material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects.
> By enacting such behaviours, the psychopath is also trying to "get
> back" at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They
> will spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or
> poor, or whatever their social background may be, although studies
> have shown that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio-
> economic background and/or social status. (In one of Dr.Donald Black's
> studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar,
> lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high
> school." [Black, 14]). (Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies,
> psychopaths can still exist in any social class. Do not be misled). I
> also wanted to point out that I will be using "he" and "him" for the
> term psychopath throughout this website; let it not be forgotten, yes,
> female psychopaths exist as well; however, according to the Sixth
> Edition of Abnormal Behavior, printed in 2000 by three male
> professors, David, Derald, and Stanley Sue, the rates do differ by
> gender. Included in their excellent text is a report by the The
> American Psychiatric Association that the general estimate is 3% for
> men, and less than 1% in women [Personality Disorders and Impulse
> Control Disorders, 238].
> What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of
> special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal
> people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience,
> feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives
> they touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation,
> unable to see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right
> versus wrong." [Black, XIII].
> Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are
> quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to
> their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went
> on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His
> mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was
> also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more
> dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school
> dropouts, there are many who also work in professional occupations;
> the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from
> impoverished backgrounds than not.
> Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them
> appear strange or odd, and their behaviour can be eccentric or
> unusual. I believe this is what can confuse victims most often.
> Psychopaths often appear [see pictures here]: intense
> and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone appears harmless,
> "foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can also often fool
> people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown costume" as he
> entertained children as one example.
> Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board
> came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanour
> (so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is).
> A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless
> cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at
> first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not
> right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were
> charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and
> disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension
> between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises
> for his own hidden purpose.Regardless of race, social class, or
> occupation, however, the psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the
> nature of ASP (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks
> more havoc on society than most other mental illnesses do, since the
> disorder primarily involves reactions against the social environment
> that drag other people into its destructive web...The despair and
> anxiety wrought by antisocials (psychopaths) tragically affects
> families and communities, leaving deep physical and
> emotional scars...".
> There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and
> disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as
> sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.)
> Since the majority or them are men, I wrote this site in part, to warn
> women about the dangers, especially women online, which I believe
> is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to psychopaths. I have
> personal experience with this subject as well. This is because
> "antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in our fictional or
> true-life entertainments. They are family members, friends,
> co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every day."
> [Black, 10]. Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are
> sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are
> psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly.
> According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten
> men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not
> really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however,
> there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is
> why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that
> psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia
> and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact.
>
>