Jerry Bransford

I've been reading/hearing nearly nothing but complaints on California
Tops for at least 6-7 years.

Ruel Smith wrote:
>>Check this out.... It is from Quadratec..
>>
>>http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgi...UREQB=2&FNM=00
>
>
> Ben, this is a bikini top, and not a half top. A half top is an actual top,
> less the back section - almost like turning your Wrangler/CJ into a small
> truck. It actually closes in the front passenger compartment only, much like
> the soft tops on the Scramblers. Take a good look at these pictures and see
> for yourself:
>
> http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

I've been reading/hearing nearly nothing but complaints on California
Tops for at least 6-7 years.

Ruel Smith wrote:
>>Check this out.... It is from Quadratec..
>>
>>http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgi...UREQB=2&FNM=00
>
>
> Ben, this is a bikini top, and not a half top. A half top is an actual top,
> less the back section - almost like turning your Wrangler/CJ into a small
> truck. It actually closes in the front passenger compartment only, much like
> the soft tops on the Scramblers. Take a good look at these pictures and see
> for yourself:
>
> http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

I've been reading/hearing nearly nothing but complaints on California
Tops for at least 6-7 years.

Ruel Smith wrote:
>>Check this out.... It is from Quadratec..
>>
>>http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgi...UREQB=2&FNM=00
>
>
> Ben, this is a bikini top, and not a half top. A half top is an actual top,
> less the back section - almost like turning your Wrangler/CJ into a small
> truck. It actually closes in the front passenger compartment only, much like
> the soft tops on the Scramblers. Take a good look at these pictures and see
> for yourself:
>
> http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

mouseranch

When you asked the question, you sounded like somebody who was
answering their own question. If I were talking to you in person, it
would be a lot easier to communicate. The web page you listed does
show two pictures of CJ-7's with a halftop. You may not have
recognized them, but the most obvious difference is the roll bar. The
CJ does not have a "cage". It's just a roll bar with a brace behind
it. The page you listed shows a black CJ-7 with half-doors and a
purple halftop. It also shows a yellow CJ-7 with full steel doors and
a grey halftop. My Jeep has the steel doors, so I can get a pretty
good look at how the top would fit if in fact any of them ever got
delivered. On the order page you would specify that you owned a CJ
and they would presumably build one to fit that model. But they
won't.

I understand your question better now than the first time you asked
it, and I'm sorry I was pedantic before. However, If you go back and
read your original question again, maybe you can see why I was
frustrated in my response.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:36:13 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:

>Did I sound like a ***** when I asked the question? Because you came off
>as a ***** with your answer. The Internet etiquette is interesting, you
>would never say that to me in person, especially when I am spending my time
>trying to answer your questions. No need to get upset with me for slick
>tops poor website and poor customer service. Lighten up just a little.
>
>Yeah make sure you type slow so we can all be on the same speed here. I
>ask because the bolded all caps description on
>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php specifies a "'04 -'97". Is there
>a page on their site that specifies information for the CJ's and YJ's?
>They don't even show a picture that I can find of a CJ with a half top, my
>assumption is that since it fits the black and the yellow YJ, then it would
>also fit a CJ, but wouldn't you like to deal with a company that gave more
>specifics or even a photo of a CJ fit? The only indication I see is that
>they display a price, and on the order form you can pick a YJ/CJ option.
>Seems to me like they are vague on their CJ info.
>
>
>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>news:462ub1199l3nt0v8t2c9876epegas951dp@4ax.com.. .
>> I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Please read ALL the
>> words.
>>
>> A CJ-7 is not a Wrangler.
>> It's not a YJ. It's not a TJ.
>> It's a CJ-7. A top for a Wrangler won't fit a CJ-7.
>>
>> ........Am I going too fast?
>>
>> If you look at the Bestop site, you won't find a halftop for CJ-7's.
>> If you look at the Slick Tops site, you will find a halftop for
>> CJ-7's.
>>
>> "Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does."
>> I don't know how I can be any clearer.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:47:03 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does.."
>>>
>>>Educate me, what is it that slick makes that Bestop doesn't?
>>>
>>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>>>
>>>http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=7
>>>
>>>They look like clones to me
>>>
>>>
>>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jpetb1dt57mg0a4fs94p5kbgdj17sjjaj4@4ax.com ...
>>>> Price is not the issue, and it's not about "cutting corners". Bestop
>>>> doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does (or claims they
>>>> do). Slick Tops appears to have some pretty cool designs, but the
>>>> picture on their website is as close as you'll ever get to one.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:54:40 GMT, "extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I know you have a CJ but I would imagin there would not be a large price
>>>>>diff.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:evpve.2390$W74.1378@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>>>>>> That is why Jeepers that know there product only use Bestop....
>>>>>> Since
>>>>>> they are also the Manufacturer for the Originals anyway. Thanks for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> info though. Sometimes we try to cut corners and sometimes it is good
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> there are areas that you just do not cut and the top is one of them.
>>>>>> Bestop is the best for appearance durability and reliability. for the
>>>>>> TJ's
>>>>>> a raplacment top runs about $500.00 and if you watch 4 wheel parts you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> catch a sale and save another $25 or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4q3sb11qhbsied8fa377mfq3kg99c2oj7h@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>I feel the need to share my bad experience with Slick Tops (also
>>>>>>> called California Tops). I bought a halftop for my 1984 CJ-7 from
>>>>>>> their website in April '05 for about $520. The problem is that they
>>>>>>> never delivered it. I got a lot of empty promises from them and they
>>>>>>> told me again and again that it was almost ready to ship. Ten weeks
>>>>>>> later I still have nothing. They would not deliver the top and
>>>>>>> refused to refund my money. Fortunately, I paid with VISA. I
>>>>>>> notified VISA before 60 days had passed and VISA worked with me and
>>>>>>> has refunded my money.
>>>>>>> Slick Tops may be going under and can't fill their orders. I would
>>>>>>> advise anyone tempted to buy from them to spend your money elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

mouseranch

When you asked the question, you sounded like somebody who was
answering their own question. If I were talking to you in person, it
would be a lot easier to communicate. The web page you listed does
show two pictures of CJ-7's with a halftop. You may not have
recognized them, but the most obvious difference is the roll bar. The
CJ does not have a "cage". It's just a roll bar with a brace behind
it. The page you listed shows a black CJ-7 with half-doors and a
purple halftop. It also shows a yellow CJ-7 with full steel doors and
a grey halftop. My Jeep has the steel doors, so I can get a pretty
good look at how the top would fit if in fact any of them ever got
delivered. On the order page you would specify that you owned a CJ
and they would presumably build one to fit that model. But they
won't.

I understand your question better now than the first time you asked
it, and I'm sorry I was pedantic before. However, If you go back and
read your original question again, maybe you can see why I was
frustrated in my response.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:36:13 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:

>Did I sound like a ***** when I asked the question? Because you came off
>as a ***** with your answer. The Internet etiquette is interesting, you
>would never say that to me in person, especially when I am spending my time
>trying to answer your questions. No need to get upset with me for slick
>tops poor website and poor customer service. Lighten up just a little.
>
>Yeah make sure you type slow so we can all be on the same speed here. I
>ask because the bolded all caps description on
>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php specifies a "'04 -'97". Is there
>a page on their site that specifies information for the CJ's and YJ's?
>They don't even show a picture that I can find of a CJ with a half top, my
>assumption is that since it fits the black and the yellow YJ, then it would
>also fit a CJ, but wouldn't you like to deal with a company that gave more
>specifics or even a photo of a CJ fit? The only indication I see is that
>they display a price, and on the order form you can pick a YJ/CJ option.
>Seems to me like they are vague on their CJ info.
>
>
>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>news:462ub1199l3nt0v8t2c9876epegas951dp@4ax.com.. .
>> I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Please read ALL the
>> words.
>>
>> A CJ-7 is not a Wrangler.
>> It's not a YJ. It's not a TJ.
>> It's a CJ-7. A top for a Wrangler won't fit a CJ-7.
>>
>> ........Am I going too fast?
>>
>> If you look at the Bestop site, you won't find a halftop for CJ-7's.
>> If you look at the Slick Tops site, you will find a halftop for
>> CJ-7's.
>>
>> "Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does."
>> I don't know how I can be any clearer.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:47:03 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does.."
>>>
>>>Educate me, what is it that slick makes that Bestop doesn't?
>>>
>>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>>>
>>>http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=7
>>>
>>>They look like clones to me
>>>
>>>
>>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jpetb1dt57mg0a4fs94p5kbgdj17sjjaj4@4ax.com ...
>>>> Price is not the issue, and it's not about "cutting corners". Bestop
>>>> doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does (or claims they
>>>> do). Slick Tops appears to have some pretty cool designs, but the
>>>> picture on their website is as close as you'll ever get to one.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:54:40 GMT, "extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I know you have a CJ but I would imagin there would not be a large price
>>>>>diff.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:evpve.2390$W74.1378@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>>>>>> That is why Jeepers that know there product only use Bestop....
>>>>>> Since
>>>>>> they are also the Manufacturer for the Originals anyway. Thanks for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> info though. Sometimes we try to cut corners and sometimes it is good
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> there are areas that you just do not cut and the top is one of them.
>>>>>> Bestop is the best for appearance durability and reliability. for the
>>>>>> TJ's
>>>>>> a raplacment top runs about $500.00 and if you watch 4 wheel parts you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> catch a sale and save another $25 or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4q3sb11qhbsied8fa377mfq3kg99c2oj7h@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>I feel the need to share my bad experience with Slick Tops (also
>>>>>>> called California Tops). I bought a halftop for my 1984 CJ-7 from
>>>>>>> their website in April '05 for about $520. The problem is that they
>>>>>>> never delivered it. I got a lot of empty promises from them and they
>>>>>>> told me again and again that it was almost ready to ship. Ten weeks
>>>>>>> later I still have nothing. They would not deliver the top and
>>>>>>> refused to refund my money. Fortunately, I paid with VISA. I
>>>>>>> notified VISA before 60 days had passed and VISA worked with me and
>>>>>>> has refunded my money.
>>>>>>> Slick Tops may be going under and can't fill their orders. I would
>>>>>>> advise anyone tempted to buy from them to spend your money elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

mouseranch

When you asked the question, you sounded like somebody who was
answering their own question. If I were talking to you in person, it
would be a lot easier to communicate. The web page you listed does
show two pictures of CJ-7's with a halftop. You may not have
recognized them, but the most obvious difference is the roll bar. The
CJ does not have a "cage". It's just a roll bar with a brace behind
it. The page you listed shows a black CJ-7 with half-doors and a
purple halftop. It also shows a yellow CJ-7 with full steel doors and
a grey halftop. My Jeep has the steel doors, so I can get a pretty
good look at how the top would fit if in fact any of them ever got
delivered. On the order page you would specify that you owned a CJ
and they would presumably build one to fit that model. But they
won't.

I understand your question better now than the first time you asked
it, and I'm sorry I was pedantic before. However, If you go back and
read your original question again, maybe you can see why I was
frustrated in my response.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:36:13 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:

>Did I sound like a ***** when I asked the question? Because you came off
>as a ***** with your answer. The Internet etiquette is interesting, you
>would never say that to me in person, especially when I am spending my time
>trying to answer your questions. No need to get upset with me for slick
>tops poor website and poor customer service. Lighten up just a little.
>
>Yeah make sure you type slow so we can all be on the same speed here. I
>ask because the bolded all caps description on
>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php specifies a "'04 -'97". Is there
>a page on their site that specifies information for the CJ's and YJ's?
>They don't even show a picture that I can find of a CJ with a half top, my
>assumption is that since it fits the black and the yellow YJ, then it would
>also fit a CJ, but wouldn't you like to deal with a company that gave more
>specifics or even a photo of a CJ fit? The only indication I see is that
>they display a price, and on the order form you can pick a YJ/CJ option.
>Seems to me like they are vague on their CJ info.
>
>
>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>news:462ub1199l3nt0v8t2c9876epegas951dp@4ax.com.. .
>> I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Please read ALL the
>> words.
>>
>> A CJ-7 is not a Wrangler.
>> It's not a YJ. It's not a TJ.
>> It's a CJ-7. A top for a Wrangler won't fit a CJ-7.
>>
>> ........Am I going too fast?
>>
>> If you look at the Bestop site, you won't find a halftop for CJ-7's.
>> If you look at the Slick Tops site, you will find a halftop for
>> CJ-7's.
>>
>> "Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does."
>> I don't know how I can be any clearer.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:47:03 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does.."
>>>
>>>Educate me, what is it that slick makes that Bestop doesn't?
>>>
>>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>>>
>>>http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=7
>>>
>>>They look like clones to me
>>>
>>>
>>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jpetb1dt57mg0a4fs94p5kbgdj17sjjaj4@4ax.com ...
>>>> Price is not the issue, and it's not about "cutting corners". Bestop
>>>> doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does (or claims they
>>>> do). Slick Tops appears to have some pretty cool designs, but the
>>>> picture on their website is as close as you'll ever get to one.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:54:40 GMT, "extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I know you have a CJ but I would imagin there would not be a large price
>>>>>diff.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:evpve.2390$W74.1378@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>>>>>> That is why Jeepers that know there product only use Bestop....
>>>>>> Since
>>>>>> they are also the Manufacturer for the Originals anyway. Thanks for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> info though. Sometimes we try to cut corners and sometimes it is good
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> there are areas that you just do not cut and the top is one of them.
>>>>>> Bestop is the best for appearance durability and reliability. for the
>>>>>> TJ's
>>>>>> a raplacment top runs about $500.00 and if you watch 4 wheel parts you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> catch a sale and save another $25 or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4q3sb11qhbsied8fa377mfq3kg99c2oj7h@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>I feel the need to share my bad experience with Slick Tops (also
>>>>>>> called California Tops). I bought a halftop for my 1984 CJ-7 from
>>>>>>> their website in April '05 for about $520. The problem is that they
>>>>>>> never delivered it. I got a lot of empty promises from them and they
>>>>>>> told me again and again that it was almost ready to ship. Ten weeks
>>>>>>> later I still have nothing. They would not deliver the top and
>>>>>>> refused to refund my money. Fortunately, I paid with VISA. I
>>>>>>> notified VISA before 60 days had passed and VISA worked with me and
>>>>>>> has refunded my money.
>>>>>>> Slick Tops may be going under and can't fill their orders. I would
>>>>>>> advise anyone tempted to buy from them to spend your money elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

mouseranch

When you asked the question, you sounded like somebody who was
answering their own question. If I were talking to you in person, it
would be a lot easier to communicate. The web page you listed does
show two pictures of CJ-7's with a halftop. You may not have
recognized them, but the most obvious difference is the roll bar. The
CJ does not have a "cage". It's just a roll bar with a brace behind
it. The page you listed shows a black CJ-7 with half-doors and a
purple halftop. It also shows a yellow CJ-7 with full steel doors and
a grey halftop. My Jeep has the steel doors, so I can get a pretty
good look at how the top would fit if in fact any of them ever got
delivered. On the order page you would specify that you owned a CJ
and they would presumably build one to fit that model. But they
won't.

I understand your question better now than the first time you asked
it, and I'm sorry I was pedantic before. However, If you go back and
read your original question again, maybe you can see why I was
frustrated in my response.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:36:13 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:

>Did I sound like a ***** when I asked the question? Because you came off
>as a ***** with your answer. The Internet etiquette is interesting, you
>would never say that to me in person, especially when I am spending my time
>trying to answer your questions. No need to get upset with me for slick
>tops poor website and poor customer service. Lighten up just a little.
>
>Yeah make sure you type slow so we can all be on the same speed here. I
>ask because the bolded all caps description on
>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php specifies a "'04 -'97". Is there
>a page on their site that specifies information for the CJ's and YJ's?
>They don't even show a picture that I can find of a CJ with a half top, my
>assumption is that since it fits the black and the yellow YJ, then it would
>also fit a CJ, but wouldn't you like to deal with a company that gave more
>specifics or even a photo of a CJ fit? The only indication I see is that
>they display a price, and on the order form you can pick a YJ/CJ option.
>Seems to me like they are vague on their CJ info.
>
>
>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>news:462ub1199l3nt0v8t2c9876epegas951dp@4ax.com.. .
>> I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Please read ALL the
>> words.
>>
>> A CJ-7 is not a Wrangler.
>> It's not a YJ. It's not a TJ.
>> It's a CJ-7. A top for a Wrangler won't fit a CJ-7.
>>
>> ........Am I going too fast?
>>
>> If you look at the Bestop site, you won't find a halftop for CJ-7's.
>> If you look at the Slick Tops site, you will find a halftop for
>> CJ-7's.
>>
>> "Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does."
>> I don't know how I can be any clearer.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:47:03 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does.."
>>>
>>>Educate me, what is it that slick makes that Bestop doesn't?
>>>
>>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>>>
>>>http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=7
>>>
>>>They look like clones to me
>>>
>>>
>>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jpetb1dt57mg0a4fs94p5kbgdj17sjjaj4@4ax.com ...
>>>> Price is not the issue, and it's not about "cutting corners". Bestop
>>>> doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does (or claims they
>>>> do). Slick Tops appears to have some pretty cool designs, but the
>>>> picture on their website is as close as you'll ever get to one.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:54:40 GMT, "extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I know you have a CJ but I would imagin there would not be a large price
>>>>>diff.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:evpve.2390$W74.1378@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>>>>>> That is why Jeepers that know there product only use Bestop....
>>>>>> Since
>>>>>> they are also the Manufacturer for the Originals anyway. Thanks for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> info though. Sometimes we try to cut corners and sometimes it is good
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> there are areas that you just do not cut and the top is one of them.
>>>>>> Bestop is the best for appearance durability and reliability. for the
>>>>>> TJ's
>>>>>> a raplacment top runs about $500.00 and if you watch 4 wheel parts you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> catch a sale and save another $25 or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4q3sb11qhbsied8fa377mfq3kg99c2oj7h@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>I feel the need to share my bad experience with Slick Tops (also
>>>>>>> called California Tops). I bought a halftop for my 1984 CJ-7 from
>>>>>>> their website in April '05 for about $520. The problem is that they
>>>>>>> never delivered it. I got a lot of empty promises from them and they
>>>>>>> told me again and again that it was almost ready to ship. Ten weeks
>>>>>>> later I still have nothing. They would not deliver the top and
>>>>>>> refused to refund my money. Fortunately, I paid with VISA. I
>>>>>>> notified VISA before 60 days had passed and VISA worked with me and
>>>>>>> has refunded my money.
>>>>>>> Slick Tops may be going under and can't fill their orders. I would
>>>>>>> advise anyone tempted to buy from them to spend your money elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Rusted

Sounds like we are on the same page. We are all here for a common topic and
not to beat each other up. I apologize if my first post came across brash.
This is now off topic, and not helping you find a top you want. But both
the black jeep with purple top and the yellow jeep with the gray top both
appear to be a 87-91 wrangler YJ's. On both you can see the side hinged
tailgate, and the continuous flare/running board that was common with the
YJ's from those years. I am sure you will see square headlights on both of
them. Starting in 92 until 95 the YJ's had the extended rear sports bar.
I still don't see a photo of a CJ on their site anywhere. Below are links
to references.

As far as fit between the CJ's and the 87-91 YJ's the tops should all fit
the same. The 92-95 YJ's the sport bar starts at a little different
position, so my guess is that it would require a different top to get a
proper placement. I think that Bestop does a better job at clarifying that
their tops are for 92-95 TJ's, and SlickTops should clarify that there is a
split in the YJ's. I guess they should also PRODUCE a top for a CJ/Older YJ
since they advertise that they have one.

http://www.vintagejeepparts.com/identifying_jeep.asp
http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php




"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
news:n7nub11htt833d8u9ajcn5d24s79p0ih82@4ax.com...
> When you asked the question, you sounded like somebody who was
> answering their own question. If I were talking to you in person, it
> would be a lot easier to communicate. The web page you listed does
> show two pictures of CJ-7's with a halftop. You may not have
> recognized them, but the most obvious difference is the roll bar. The
> CJ does not have a "cage". It's just a roll bar with a brace behind
> it. The page you listed shows a black CJ-7 with half-doors and a
> purple halftop. It also shows a yellow CJ-7 with full steel doors and
> a grey halftop. My Jeep has the steel doors, so I can get a pretty
> good look at how the top would fit if in fact any of them ever got
> delivered. On the order page you would specify that you owned a CJ
> and they would presumably build one to fit that model. But they
> won't.
>
> I understand your question better now than the first time you asked
> it, and I'm sorry I was pedantic before. However, If you go back and
> read your original question again, maybe you can see why I was
> frustrated in my response.
>
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:36:13 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>
>>Did I sound like a ***** when I asked the question? Because you came off
>>as a ***** with your answer. The Internet etiquette is interesting, you
>>would never say that to me in person, especially when I am spending my
>>time
>>trying to answer your questions. No need to get upset with me for slick
>>tops poor website and poor customer service. Lighten up just a little.
>>
>>Yeah make sure you type slow so we can all be on the same speed here. I
>>ask because the bolded all caps description on
>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php specifies a "'04 -'97". Is
>>there
>>a page on their site that specifies information for the CJ's and YJ's?
>>They don't even show a picture that I can find of a CJ with a half top, my
>>assumption is that since it fits the black and the yellow YJ, then it
>>would
>>also fit a CJ, but wouldn't you like to deal with a company that gave more
>>specifics or even a photo of a CJ fit? The only indication I see is that
>>they display a price, and on the order form you can pick a YJ/CJ option.
>>Seems to me like they are vague on their CJ info.
>>
>>
>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:462ub1199l3nt0v8t2c9876epegas951dp@4ax.com. ..
>>> I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Please read ALL the
>>> words.
>>>
>>> A CJ-7 is not a Wrangler.
>>> It's not a YJ. It's not a TJ.
>>> It's a CJ-7. A top for a Wrangler won't fit a CJ-7.
>>>
>>> ........Am I going too fast?
>>>
>>> If you look at the Bestop site, you won't find a halftop for CJ-7's.
>>> If you look at the Slick Tops site, you will find a halftop for
>>> CJ-7's.
>>>
>>> "Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does."
>>> I don't know how I can be any clearer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:47:03 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does.."
>>>>
>>>>Educate me, what is it that slick makes that Bestop doesn't?
>>>>
>>>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>>>>
>>>>http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=7
>>>>
>>>>They look like clones to me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:jpetb1dt57mg0a4fs94p5kbgdj17sjjaj4@4ax.co m...
>>>>> Price is not the issue, and it's not about "cutting corners". Bestop
>>>>> doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does (or claims they
>>>>> do). Slick Tops appears to have some pretty cool designs, but the
>>>>> picture on their website is as close as you'll ever get to one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:54:40 GMT, "extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know you have a CJ but I would imagin there would not be a large
>>>>>>price
>>>>>>diff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:evpve.2390$W74.1378@newssvr30.news.prod igy.com...
>>>>>>> That is why Jeepers that know there product only use Bestop....
>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>> they are also the Manufacturer for the Originals anyway. Thanks
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> info though. Sometimes we try to cut corners and sometimes it is
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> there are areas that you just do not cut and the top is one of them.
>>>>>>> Bestop is the best for appearance durability and reliability. for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> TJ's
>>>>>>> a raplacment top runs about $500.00 and if you watch 4 wheel parts
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> catch a sale and save another $25 or so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4q3sb11qhbsied8fa377mfq3kg99c2oj7h@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>I feel the need to share my bad experience with Slick Tops (also
>>>>>>>> called California Tops). I bought a halftop for my 1984 CJ-7 from
>>>>>>>> their website in April '05 for about $520. The problem is that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> never delivered it. I got a lot of empty promises from them and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> told me again and again that it was almost ready to ship. Ten
>>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>>> later I still have nothing. They would not deliver the top and
>>>>>>>> refused to refund my money. Fortunately, I paid with VISA. I
>>>>>>>> notified VISA before 60 days had passed and VISA worked with me and
>>>>>>>> has refunded my money.
>>>>>>>> Slick Tops may be going under and can't fill their orders. I would
>>>>>>>> advise anyone tempted to buy from them to spend your money
>>>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Rusted

Sounds like we are on the same page. We are all here for a common topic and
not to beat each other up. I apologize if my first post came across brash.
This is now off topic, and not helping you find a top you want. But both
the black jeep with purple top and the yellow jeep with the gray top both
appear to be a 87-91 wrangler YJ's. On both you can see the side hinged
tailgate, and the continuous flare/running board that was common with the
YJ's from those years. I am sure you will see square headlights on both of
them. Starting in 92 until 95 the YJ's had the extended rear sports bar.
I still don't see a photo of a CJ on their site anywhere. Below are links
to references.

As far as fit between the CJ's and the 87-91 YJ's the tops should all fit
the same. The 92-95 YJ's the sport bar starts at a little different
position, so my guess is that it would require a different top to get a
proper placement. I think that Bestop does a better job at clarifying that
their tops are for 92-95 TJ's, and SlickTops should clarify that there is a
split in the YJ's. I guess they should also PRODUCE a top for a CJ/Older YJ
since they advertise that they have one.

http://www.vintagejeepparts.com/identifying_jeep.asp
http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php




"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
news:n7nub11htt833d8u9ajcn5d24s79p0ih82@4ax.com...
> When you asked the question, you sounded like somebody who was
> answering their own question. If I were talking to you in person, it
> would be a lot easier to communicate. The web page you listed does
> show two pictures of CJ-7's with a halftop. You may not have
> recognized them, but the most obvious difference is the roll bar. The
> CJ does not have a "cage". It's just a roll bar with a brace behind
> it. The page you listed shows a black CJ-7 with half-doors and a
> purple halftop. It also shows a yellow CJ-7 with full steel doors and
> a grey halftop. My Jeep has the steel doors, so I can get a pretty
> good look at how the top would fit if in fact any of them ever got
> delivered. On the order page you would specify that you owned a CJ
> and they would presumably build one to fit that model. But they
> won't.
>
> I understand your question better now than the first time you asked
> it, and I'm sorry I was pedantic before. However, If you go back and
> read your original question again, maybe you can see why I was
> frustrated in my response.
>
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:36:13 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>
>>Did I sound like a ***** when I asked the question? Because you came off
>>as a ***** with your answer. The Internet etiquette is interesting, you
>>would never say that to me in person, especially when I am spending my
>>time
>>trying to answer your questions. No need to get upset with me for slick
>>tops poor website and poor customer service. Lighten up just a little.
>>
>>Yeah make sure you type slow so we can all be on the same speed here. I
>>ask because the bolded all caps description on
>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php specifies a "'04 -'97". Is
>>there
>>a page on their site that specifies information for the CJ's and YJ's?
>>They don't even show a picture that I can find of a CJ with a half top, my
>>assumption is that since it fits the black and the yellow YJ, then it
>>would
>>also fit a CJ, but wouldn't you like to deal with a company that gave more
>>specifics or even a photo of a CJ fit? The only indication I see is that
>>they display a price, and on the order form you can pick a YJ/CJ option.
>>Seems to me like they are vague on their CJ info.
>>
>>
>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:462ub1199l3nt0v8t2c9876epegas951dp@4ax.com. ..
>>> I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Please read ALL the
>>> words.
>>>
>>> A CJ-7 is not a Wrangler.
>>> It's not a YJ. It's not a TJ.
>>> It's a CJ-7. A top for a Wrangler won't fit a CJ-7.
>>>
>>> ........Am I going too fast?
>>>
>>> If you look at the Bestop site, you won't find a halftop for CJ-7's.
>>> If you look at the Slick Tops site, you will find a halftop for
>>> CJ-7's.
>>>
>>> "Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does."
>>> I don't know how I can be any clearer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:47:03 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does.."
>>>>
>>>>Educate me, what is it that slick makes that Bestop doesn't?
>>>>
>>>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>>>>
>>>>http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=7
>>>>
>>>>They look like clones to me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:jpetb1dt57mg0a4fs94p5kbgdj17sjjaj4@4ax.co m...
>>>>> Price is not the issue, and it's not about "cutting corners". Bestop
>>>>> doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does (or claims they
>>>>> do). Slick Tops appears to have some pretty cool designs, but the
>>>>> picture on their website is as close as you'll ever get to one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:54:40 GMT, "extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know you have a CJ but I would imagin there would not be a large
>>>>>>price
>>>>>>diff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:evpve.2390$W74.1378@newssvr30.news.prod igy.com...
>>>>>>> That is why Jeepers that know there product only use Bestop....
>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>> they are also the Manufacturer for the Originals anyway. Thanks
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> info though. Sometimes we try to cut corners and sometimes it is
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> there are areas that you just do not cut and the top is one of them.
>>>>>>> Bestop is the best for appearance durability and reliability. for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> TJ's
>>>>>>> a raplacment top runs about $500.00 and if you watch 4 wheel parts
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> catch a sale and save another $25 or so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4q3sb11qhbsied8fa377mfq3kg99c2oj7h@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>I feel the need to share my bad experience with Slick Tops (also
>>>>>>>> called California Tops). I bought a halftop for my 1984 CJ-7 from
>>>>>>>> their website in April '05 for about $520. The problem is that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> never delivered it. I got a lot of empty promises from them and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> told me again and again that it was almost ready to ship. Ten
>>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>>> later I still have nothing. They would not deliver the top and
>>>>>>>> refused to refund my money. Fortunately, I paid with VISA. I
>>>>>>>> notified VISA before 60 days had passed and VISA worked with me and
>>>>>>>> has refunded my money.
>>>>>>>> Slick Tops may be going under and can't fill their orders. I would
>>>>>>>> advise anyone tempted to buy from them to spend your money
>>>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Rusted

Sounds like we are on the same page. We are all here for a common topic and
not to beat each other up. I apologize if my first post came across brash.
This is now off topic, and not helping you find a top you want. But both
the black jeep with purple top and the yellow jeep with the gray top both
appear to be a 87-91 wrangler YJ's. On both you can see the side hinged
tailgate, and the continuous flare/running board that was common with the
YJ's from those years. I am sure you will see square headlights on both of
them. Starting in 92 until 95 the YJ's had the extended rear sports bar.
I still don't see a photo of a CJ on their site anywhere. Below are links
to references.

As far as fit between the CJ's and the 87-91 YJ's the tops should all fit
the same. The 92-95 YJ's the sport bar starts at a little different
position, so my guess is that it would require a different top to get a
proper placement. I think that Bestop does a better job at clarifying that
their tops are for 92-95 TJ's, and SlickTops should clarify that there is a
split in the YJ's. I guess they should also PRODUCE a top for a CJ/Older YJ
since they advertise that they have one.

http://www.vintagejeepparts.com/identifying_jeep.asp
http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php




"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
news:n7nub11htt833d8u9ajcn5d24s79p0ih82@4ax.com...
> When you asked the question, you sounded like somebody who was
> answering their own question. If I were talking to you in person, it
> would be a lot easier to communicate. The web page you listed does
> show two pictures of CJ-7's with a halftop. You may not have
> recognized them, but the most obvious difference is the roll bar. The
> CJ does not have a "cage". It's just a roll bar with a brace behind
> it. The page you listed shows a black CJ-7 with half-doors and a
> purple halftop. It also shows a yellow CJ-7 with full steel doors and
> a grey halftop. My Jeep has the steel doors, so I can get a pretty
> good look at how the top would fit if in fact any of them ever got
> delivered. On the order page you would specify that you owned a CJ
> and they would presumably build one to fit that model. But they
> won't.
>
> I understand your question better now than the first time you asked
> it, and I'm sorry I was pedantic before. However, If you go back and
> read your original question again, maybe you can see why I was
> frustrated in my response.
>
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:36:13 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>
>>Did I sound like a ***** when I asked the question? Because you came off
>>as a ***** with your answer. The Internet etiquette is interesting, you
>>would never say that to me in person, especially when I am spending my
>>time
>>trying to answer your questions. No need to get upset with me for slick
>>tops poor website and poor customer service. Lighten up just a little.
>>
>>Yeah make sure you type slow so we can all be on the same speed here. I
>>ask because the bolded all caps description on
>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php specifies a "'04 -'97". Is
>>there
>>a page on their site that specifies information for the CJ's and YJ's?
>>They don't even show a picture that I can find of a CJ with a half top, my
>>assumption is that since it fits the black and the yellow YJ, then it
>>would
>>also fit a CJ, but wouldn't you like to deal with a company that gave more
>>specifics or even a photo of a CJ fit? The only indication I see is that
>>they display a price, and on the order form you can pick a YJ/CJ option.
>>Seems to me like they are vague on their CJ info.
>>
>>
>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:462ub1199l3nt0v8t2c9876epegas951dp@4ax.com. ..
>>> I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Please read ALL the
>>> words.
>>>
>>> A CJ-7 is not a Wrangler.
>>> It's not a YJ. It's not a TJ.
>>> It's a CJ-7. A top for a Wrangler won't fit a CJ-7.
>>>
>>> ........Am I going too fast?
>>>
>>> If you look at the Bestop site, you won't find a halftop for CJ-7's.
>>> If you look at the Slick Tops site, you will find a halftop for
>>> CJ-7's.
>>>
>>> "Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does."
>>> I don't know how I can be any clearer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:47:03 -0600, "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bestop doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does.."
>>>>
>>>>Educate me, what is it that slick makes that Bestop doesn't?
>>>>
>>>>http://www.slicktops.com/tops_halftop.php
>>>>
>>>>http://www.bestop.com/index.php?s=7
>>>>
>>>>They look like clones to me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:jpetb1dt57mg0a4fs94p5kbgdj17sjjaj4@4ax.co m...
>>>>> Price is not the issue, and it's not about "cutting corners". Bestop
>>>>> doesn't make a halftop for a CJ-7. Slick Tops does (or claims they
>>>>> do). Slick Tops appears to have some pretty cool designs, but the
>>>>> picture on their website is as close as you'll ever get to one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:54:40 GMT, "extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know you have a CJ but I would imagin there would not be a large
>>>>>>price
>>>>>>diff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"extremetjs" <123@abc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:evpve.2390$W74.1378@newssvr30.news.prod igy.com...
>>>>>>> That is why Jeepers that know there product only use Bestop....
>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>> they are also the Manufacturer for the Originals anyway. Thanks
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> info though. Sometimes we try to cut corners and sometimes it is
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> there are areas that you just do not cut and the top is one of them.
>>>>>>> Bestop is the best for appearance durability and reliability. for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> TJ's
>>>>>>> a raplacment top runs about $500.00 and if you watch 4 wheel parts
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> catch a sale and save another $25 or so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "mouseranch" <mouseranch@earthnospamlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4q3sb11qhbsied8fa377mfq3kg99c2oj7h@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>I feel the need to share my bad experience with Slick Tops (also
>>>>>>>> called California Tops). I bought a halftop for my 1984 CJ-7 from
>>>>>>>> their website in April '05 for about $520. The problem is that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> never delivered it. I got a lot of empty promises from them and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> told me again and again that it was almost ready to ship. Ten
>>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>>> later I still have nothing. They would not deliver the top and
>>>>>>>> refused to refund my money. Fortunately, I paid with VISA. I
>>>>>>>> notified VISA before 60 days had passed and VISA worked with me and
>>>>>>>> has refunded my money.
>>>>>>>> Slick Tops may be going under and can't fill their orders. I would
>>>>>>>> advise anyone tempted to buy from them to spend your money
>>>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>