Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I know the Xterra VERY well and it's nowhere near the TJ in terms of > it's offroad capabilities. Err, we were comparing the new Xterra Offroad (the Nissan equivalent of a Rubicon, new for 2006) to an '07 Wrangler. I agree that it is not equal to a TJ in terms of its offroad capabilities, but it is still quite capable. I have seen the new Xterra go places I could swear that a machine with IFS couldn't go, albeit you are correct, that it is no match for an '06 TJ. For the majority of people, the Xterra Offroad has all the offroad capability they need -- it will, for example, capably handle any of the 4x4 roads in Death Valley National Park, including roads such as Lippincott which are marked for short wheelbase 4x4's only (i.e., CJ's, TJ's, or Zukes only). You are correct that the 4,000 or 5,000 serious rock crawler hobbyists in America will never buy an Xterra. But those few thousand are not going to keep Jeep in business either. > I know the XTerra better than I care to admit to here, Which XTerra, the old one or the new one? They are different machines. The old one was based on the Frontier chassis. The new one is based on the Titan chassis. The old one had a wheezy 3.1L V6 inherited from the Frontier. The new one has the much stronger 4.0L V6 from the Titan. About the only thing the same between them are styling cues. In case you are wondering, here are the statistics for the '06 XTerra Offroad and the '07 Rubicon: XTerra Offroad: overall length (inches): 178.7, overall width (inches): 72.8, overall height (inches): 74.9, ground clearance (inches): 9.5, wheelbase (inches): 106.3, front track (inches): 61.8, rear track (inches): 61.8 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 37.3 Curb weight 4402 '07 Jeep: Length 152.8 (3881.1), Overall Width (without mirrors) 73.7 (1872.0) Overall Height, Hard top 72.3 (1836.4) Rubicon Wheelbase 95.4 (2423.2) Track, Front 61.9 (1572.3) Track, Rear 61.9 1572.3) Overhang, Front 26.7 (678.2) Overhang, Rear 30.6 (777.2) Weight 4104 lbs. The two vehicles are roughly the same weight, width and height. The Jeep's primary advantage in offroad situations is its shorter length and shorter wheelbase (less chance to high-side, easier to maneuver) and the extra articulation available via solid axle up front vs. IFS. That will be advantageous in rock-crawling situations (along with that trick electrically-disconnectable sway bar up front!). If you don't intend to rock-crawl, it is difficult to think of anything the '07 Jeep will do that the '06 XTerra won't do. Handle rough eroded roads that will high-side most vehicles? Check. Handle boggy fishing and hunting roads? Check. Handle trips on rough Forest Service fire roads to take yourself and your backpacking gear to a trailhead? Check. The XTerra OR certainly isn't a do-everything offroader like the TJ, but what it does do offroad, it does well enough for all but a tiny fraction of people -- a tiny fraction who aren't enough to keep a car company in business all by themselves. Thus, from a marketing point of view, the XTerra and the TJ are in the same marketing class, which is why DC is not going to be able to raise the price of the TJ much beyond the XTerra's price and still retain enough sales to keep the TJ on the market. So you're right, and you're wrong. The XTerra is not a TJ. But from a marketing point of view, it's close enough that Jeep can't raise the price of the TJ much above the XTerra's price point and still sell enough TJ's to justify selling them. -Elron |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I know the Xterra VERY well and it's nowhere near the TJ in terms of > it's offroad capabilities. Err, we were comparing the new Xterra Offroad (the Nissan equivalent of a Rubicon, new for 2006) to an '07 Wrangler. I agree that it is not equal to a TJ in terms of its offroad capabilities, but it is still quite capable. I have seen the new Xterra go places I could swear that a machine with IFS couldn't go, albeit you are correct, that it is no match for an '06 TJ. For the majority of people, the Xterra Offroad has all the offroad capability they need -- it will, for example, capably handle any of the 4x4 roads in Death Valley National Park, including roads such as Lippincott which are marked for short wheelbase 4x4's only (i.e., CJ's, TJ's, or Zukes only). You are correct that the 4,000 or 5,000 serious rock crawler hobbyists in America will never buy an Xterra. But those few thousand are not going to keep Jeep in business either. > I know the XTerra better than I care to admit to here, Which XTerra, the old one or the new one? They are different machines. The old one was based on the Frontier chassis. The new one is based on the Titan chassis. The old one had a wheezy 3.1L V6 inherited from the Frontier. The new one has the much stronger 4.0L V6 from the Titan. About the only thing the same between them are styling cues. In case you are wondering, here are the statistics for the '06 XTerra Offroad and the '07 Rubicon: XTerra Offroad: overall length (inches): 178.7, overall width (inches): 72.8, overall height (inches): 74.9, ground clearance (inches): 9.5, wheelbase (inches): 106.3, front track (inches): 61.8, rear track (inches): 61.8 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 37.3 Curb weight 4402 '07 Jeep: Length 152.8 (3881.1), Overall Width (without mirrors) 73.7 (1872.0) Overall Height, Hard top 72.3 (1836.4) Rubicon Wheelbase 95.4 (2423.2) Track, Front 61.9 (1572.3) Track, Rear 61.9 1572.3) Overhang, Front 26.7 (678.2) Overhang, Rear 30.6 (777.2) Weight 4104 lbs. The two vehicles are roughly the same weight, width and height. The Jeep's primary advantage in offroad situations is its shorter length and shorter wheelbase (less chance to high-side, easier to maneuver) and the extra articulation available via solid axle up front vs. IFS. That will be advantageous in rock-crawling situations (along with that trick electrically-disconnectable sway bar up front!). If you don't intend to rock-crawl, it is difficult to think of anything the '07 Jeep will do that the '06 XTerra won't do. Handle rough eroded roads that will high-side most vehicles? Check. Handle boggy fishing and hunting roads? Check. Handle trips on rough Forest Service fire roads to take yourself and your backpacking gear to a trailhead? Check. The XTerra OR certainly isn't a do-everything offroader like the TJ, but what it does do offroad, it does well enough for all but a tiny fraction of people -- a tiny fraction who aren't enough to keep a car company in business all by themselves. Thus, from a marketing point of view, the XTerra and the TJ are in the same marketing class, which is why DC is not going to be able to raise the price of the TJ much beyond the XTerra's price and still retain enough sales to keep the TJ on the market. So you're right, and you're wrong. The XTerra is not a TJ. But from a marketing point of view, it's close enough that Jeep can't raise the price of the TJ much above the XTerra's price point and still sell enough TJ's to justify selling them. -Elron |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
"L. Ron Waddle" <penguincathedral@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:I8GCf.330585$vC.30227@fe12.news.easynews.com. .. ---snippy--- > > You are correct that the 4,000 or 5,000 serious rock crawler > hobbyists in America will never buy an Xterra. But those few > thousand are not going to keep Jeep in business either. > ---snippy--- Duh. Earle |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
"L. Ron Waddle" <penguincathedral@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:I8GCf.330585$vC.30227@fe12.news.easynews.com. .. ---snippy--- > > You are correct that the 4,000 or 5,000 serious rock crawler > hobbyists in America will never buy an Xterra. But those few > thousand are not going to keep Jeep in business either. > ---snippy--- Duh. Earle |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
"L. Ron Waddle" <penguincathedral@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:I8GCf.330585$vC.30227@fe12.news.easynews.com. .. ---snippy--- > > You are correct that the 4,000 or 5,000 serious rock crawler > hobbyists in America will never buy an Xterra. But those few > thousand are not going to keep Jeep in business either. > ---snippy--- Duh. Earle |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
Isn't Xterra one of those rice burners that only liberal wacko
traitors would drive? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "L. Ron Waddle" wrote: ><snip --------- propaganda> |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
Isn't Xterra one of those rice burners that only liberal wacko
traitors would drive? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "L. Ron Waddle" wrote: ><snip --------- propaganda> |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
Isn't Xterra one of those rice burners that only liberal wacko
traitors would drive? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "L. Ron Waddle" wrote: ><snip --------- propaganda> |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
Good one, Bill. ;^)
Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:43DB32DB.BD2EA9DA@cox.net... > Isn't Xterra one of those rice burners that only liberal > wacko traitors would drive? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "L. Ron Waddle" wrote: > ><snip --------- propaganda> |
Re: 2006 OR 2007 RUBICON?
Good one, Bill. ;^)
Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:43DB32DB.BD2EA9DA@cox.net... > Isn't Xterra one of those rice burners that only liberal > wacko traitors would drive? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "L. Ron Waddle" wrote: > ><snip --------- propaganda> |
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