134a Refrigerant
07-27-2005 | 02:22 AM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>you don't
>have a clue about your limitations... ready
>and willing to spout -------- at a moment's
> notice.
TRANSLATION --> "my autobiography" :-)
--
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http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
news:UnEFe.1549$oY.1067@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>you don't
>have a clue about your limitations... ready
>and willing to spout -------- at a moment's
> notice.
TRANSLATION --> "my autobiography" :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
07-27-2005 | 08:47 AM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
07-27-2005 | 08:47 AM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
07-27-2005 | 08:47 AM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
07-27-2005 | 08:47 AM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:3eqFe.5200$6M3.3449@trnddc03...
>>Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:
>>http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
>>
>>"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction
>>is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced
>>by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best
>>as a disinfectant."
>>
>>AND
>>
>>Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
>>in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
>>chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.
>
>
> fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not
> support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please
> provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.
>
Your two previous statements are that "chlorine is dissolved by
sunlight", and that "chlorine is destroyed by sunlight". If you now want
to change your statement to pool chlorine dissipates in sunlight, I
would have no arguments, as long as you realize that the chlorine atoms
are simply converting back to chlorine gas or other inert forms of
chlorine. They do not "go away". That atom of chlorine you put in your
pool today existed before the earth was young, and will still exist when
our sun is a cold dead cinder.
As an aside, in the site I provided there three thought threads that you
have to follow and integrate in your mind. Here is the gist of it:
Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is the "chlorine" in your pool which does the
disinfecting. HOCl is unstable in sunlight and dissipates, or breaks
down. When that happens it is called the loss of "free chlorine".
BTW, it is called "free chlorine" because, as a result of the molecule's
instability, the chlorine ion presented and available to bond to organic
contaminants.
Going back, your original poast in this thread was that "sunlight
destroys chlorine", with the logical extension being: if it destroyed
chlorine in your pool, then how could a chlorine atom in the
stratosphere survive? The problem with is is that chlorine is not
destroyed, only changed from one form to another.
--
jeff
07-27-2005 | 12:46 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
You shouldn't worry about the fuel they dump. It is actually 'sprayed" into
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
07-27-2005 | 12:46 PM
#3867
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
You shouldn't worry about the fuel they dump. It is actually 'sprayed" into
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
07-27-2005 | 12:46 PM
#3868
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
You shouldn't worry about the fuel they dump. It is actually 'sprayed" into
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
07-27-2005 | 12:46 PM
#3869
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Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
You shouldn't worry about the fuel they dump. It is actually 'sprayed" into
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
the atmosphere and vaporizes almost immediately (you can see the contrails).
You should worry about the ordnance they dump when coming back damaged or
overweight.
> do you really think the navy would post links announcing that they dump
> freon into the ocean? are you really that ------- stupid? does the air
> force post links about dumping unused jet fuel mid-flight to ensure their
> next years allotment? does that mean that it doesnt happen?
>
>
07-27-2005 | 11:06 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message news:11eea0io7gcic84@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:UnEFe.1549$oY.1067@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
> >you don't
> >have a clue about your limitations... ready
> >and willing to spout -------- at a moment's
> > notice.
>
> TRANSLATION --> "my autobiography" :-)
You said it... I didn't.
Don't forget!
<>
you:
> more babble. i nailed you on it. i recognize my limitations and
> immediately own it. you lie, make excuses, and attempt to dazzle us with
> -------- in hopes of hiding your blatent (sic) ignorance.
me:
You don't have a clue about your limitations... imagine you,
an HVAC tech, making pronouncements about atmospheric
science! That shows *extreme* hubris... you deserve what
you get.
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Steve
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