134a Refrigerant
07-25-2005 | 02:44 PM
#3721
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:Zb5Fe.4105$vY2.302@trnddc09...
>
>>The flip side of this is that no matter how much you dislike something you
>>cannot make it go away by wishing it to, or denying it's existence.
>
> im not trying to make it "go away". im stating that its _wrong_.
>>in other parts of the world "jeep" is used generically. Like it or not,
>>that's reality.
>
> and its still WRONG. :-)
Yes it's wrong, but it is also reality. Just like when I showed you
dozens of links to HVAC contractors and other "insiders" referring to
"freon refrigeration". Just because *You* have defined it as wrong, does
not make it so, nor does it make it go away, right or wrong.
>
>
>>Time to grow up Nate and realize that we do not get to impose our own
>>versions of reality on the world.
>
> time to own up jeff, and admit that you were WRONG.
>
I said freon is a compound. You say it's only a tradename. You say in
the industry that *nobody* uses the name generically. I show dozens of
examples of people in the industry using it in that way. All I have to
show is *ONE* usage in industry to throw your "nobody" out the window.
That's the problem with phrasing things in absolutist terms. Use some
common sense here: If I say Band-aid, do you know what I am talking
about? If you say that's only a tradename, and you refer to them as
adhesive bandage strips, I am going to guess you were toilet trained you
with a cattle prod...
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:Zb5Fe.4105$vY2.302@trnddc09...
>
>>The flip side of this is that no matter how much you dislike something you
>>cannot make it go away by wishing it to, or denying it's existence.
>
> im not trying to make it "go away". im stating that its _wrong_.
>>in other parts of the world "jeep" is used generically. Like it or not,
>>that's reality.
>
> and its still WRONG. :-)
Yes it's wrong, but it is also reality. Just like when I showed you
dozens of links to HVAC contractors and other "insiders" referring to
"freon refrigeration". Just because *You* have defined it as wrong, does
not make it so, nor does it make it go away, right or wrong.
>
>
>>Time to grow up Nate and realize that we do not get to impose our own
>>versions of reality on the world.
>
> time to own up jeff, and admit that you were WRONG.
>
I said freon is a compound. You say it's only a tradename. You say in
the industry that *nobody* uses the name generically. I show dozens of
examples of people in the industry using it in that way. All I have to
show is *ONE* usage in industry to throw your "nobody" out the window.
That's the problem with phrasing things in absolutist terms. Use some
common sense here: If I say Band-aid, do you know what I am talking
about? If you say that's only a tradename, and you refer to them as
adhesive bandage strips, I am going to guess you were toilet trained you
with a cattle prod...
--
jeff
07-25-2005 | 03:11 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
07-25-2005 | 03:11 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
07-25-2005 | 03:11 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
07-25-2005 | 03:11 PM
#3725
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02...
>
>>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine.
>
> i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise.
I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
actually say.
>
>>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying
>>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom
>>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free
>>and allowing it to excape.
>
> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the
vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.
>
>>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is.
>
> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and
> not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>
Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The
reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is
produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine
serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and
easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below.
HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-
Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite
Acid Ion Ion
This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite
ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the
hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance
between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH.
The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less
effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free
chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for
maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant.
Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid
Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly
in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free
chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of
chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation
without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity"
Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES*
Nothing is being destroyed.
--
jeff
07-25-2005 | 08:51 PM
#3726
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04...
> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04...
> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
07-25-2005 | 08:51 PM
#3727
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04...
> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04...
> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
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07-25-2005 | 08:51 PM
#3728
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
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> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
--
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http://InlineDiesel.com
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http://BighornRefrigeration.com
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04...
> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
07-25-2005 | 08:51 PM
#3729
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04...
> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04...
> I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they
> actually say.
aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.
>> and where is it going....the ozone? :-)
>
> Perhaps some of it,
so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of
ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...
>> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed,
>> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid?
>>
>
> Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?
drop the elitist -------- already. i can assure you that youre no better
than anybody else in this newsgroup.
> Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm
wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of
difference.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
07-25-2005 | 08:56 PM
#3730
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
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>> and its still WRONG. :-)
>
> Yes it's wrong
thank you. this was my only point with your usage.
> but it is also reality.
no doubt. its still however, _wrong_.
> Just like when I showed you dozens of links to HVAC contractors and other
> "insiders" referring to "freon refrigeration".
they are wrong as well.
> Just because *You* have defined it as wrong, does not make it so, nor does
> it make it go away, right or wrong.
its not my definition, it is the industry definition. i haven tried to make
it go away. i simply stated that it was _wrong_ and it is relative here
_only_ because you presented yourself as an omnipotent engineer and if youre
going to set the standard that high, youd better use proper terminology.
> I said freon is a compound.
and that is _wrong_.
>You say it's only a tradename.
and that is right.
> You say in the industry that *nobody* uses the name generically.
they dont. nobody who knows the industry, anyway.
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news:eqaFe.1845$Eo3.733@trnddc08...
>> and its still WRONG. :-)
>
> Yes it's wrong
thank you. this was my only point with your usage.
> but it is also reality.
no doubt. its still however, _wrong_.
> Just like when I showed you dozens of links to HVAC contractors and other
> "insiders" referring to "freon refrigeration".
they are wrong as well.
> Just because *You* have defined it as wrong, does not make it so, nor does
> it make it go away, right or wrong.
its not my definition, it is the industry definition. i haven tried to make
it go away. i simply stated that it was _wrong_ and it is relative here
_only_ because you presented yourself as an omnipotent engineer and if youre
going to set the standard that high, youd better use proper terminology.
> I said freon is a compound.
and that is _wrong_.
>You say it's only a tradename.
and that is right.
> You say in the industry that *nobody* uses the name generically.
they dont. nobody who knows the industry, anyway.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com