"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Of course I am

heh...as if we didnt already know that.


> You still don't see your grammatical error!

lol....crying about grammar is yet another sign of your pitiful desperation!

>>great! now give me an alternative to replacing an HMC in a pinch.

> No ambient specification.

that wasnt my post to you.....that was my post to jeff. my post to YOU
clearly stated -30 degrees.


>>and "in a pinch" means an alternative to "doing it right" to get you
>>through
>>temporarily when youre "in a pinch" (such as on a roof top on a -30 degree
>>day).

> The 'such as' condition is by no means limiting

lol you can squirm like a little weasel all day long and it wont change a
thing! i clearly listed -30 degrees and you later accused me of trying to
change criteria and slip one in. i have exposed your lies yet again, and
its fun to watch you try to squirm. :-D


> Call me a liar, too...

liar.



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"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > youre still just a liar.

> What? No smileys? No 'TRANSLATION'?

no need, theres nothing funny in that statement. you are a liar.

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"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > youre still just a liar.

> What? No smileys? No 'TRANSLATION'?

no need, theres nothing funny in that statement. you are a liar.

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"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > youre still just a liar.

> What? No smileys? No 'TRANSLATION'?

no need, theres nothing funny in that statement. you are a liar.

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http://BighornRefrigeration.com

 

"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:VnEDe.773$LF.235@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net.. .
> > youre still just a liar.

> What? No smileys? No 'TRANSLATION'?

no need, theres nothing funny in that statement. you are a liar.

--
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http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:qpwDe.7703$JJ.3149@trnddc09...
>
>>the preponderance of the links came back using the term Freon generically
>
> i can do a google and provide you with dozens of links to sites who
> celebrate adolph hitler as a hero. does that mean hitler was a hero? of
> course not.

Nice strawman, BUT, if you do the search you talk of, the fraction of
number of main-line historical hits compared to the nutball neo-****
hits is probably over 100:1. Not the same at all.

> "freon" is not used within the industry as anymore more than a
> brand name. they may use it so that ignorant ----s like you can read along
> and pretend you know something about it, but that doesnt make it proper.

And stupid ----s like you refuse to look beyond the cartoon version of
their service manual _Refrigeration_for_Dummys_. I am not disagreeing
that Freon is a registered trademark of DuPont. I *am* saying that their
branding was too good and for the majority of the population, including
the examples I provided of more than a score of engineering firms, Freon
is a generic term. It's not a matter of what is "Proper", simply a
reflection of what *is*.
>
>>On one hand I have your unsupported assertion that *NOBODY* in the
>>"Industry"
>>would ever use FREON in place of R-12 or dichlordiflouromethane.
>>Conversely I have provided 25 cites ( and that was just the tip of the
>>iceberg) showing common use of the term Freon for cfc based refrigerants.
>>Appeals to authority are not a valid argument technique, especially when
>>the authority is yourself.
>
> well i guess your little google search makes you the expert! :-)

I have never claimed expertise, I simply demonstrated the fundamental
error in your statement that the word Freon is NEVER used as a generic
term for CFCs/a Class of Refrigerants/a chemical compound.
>
>>Yep, the same mechanism disburses freon in the atmosphere :-)
> not comparable. youre talking about lifting scores of miles and thats not
> going to happen from typical winds.

Ok then, I am still waiting to see these puddles of freon of yours!

>
>>What prevents some portion of that which a fan lifted a couple of feet
>>from being further lifted by a breeze outside? You can't have your
>>argument both ways.
>
> the breeze doesnt blow from ground level to the ozone layer.
>
Metrology by Nate: Cumulo-Nimbus clouds do not exist! Just like Bill's
invisible force field at the equator which prevents any and all air
exchange between the hemispheres.
LMAO

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jeff

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:qpwDe.7703$JJ.3149@trnddc09...
>
>>the preponderance of the links came back using the term Freon generically
>
> i can do a google and provide you with dozens of links to sites who
> celebrate adolph hitler as a hero. does that mean hitler was a hero? of
> course not.

Nice strawman, BUT, if you do the search you talk of, the fraction of
number of main-line historical hits compared to the nutball neo-****
hits is probably over 100:1. Not the same at all.

> "freon" is not used within the industry as anymore more than a
> brand name. they may use it so that ignorant ----s like you can read along
> and pretend you know something about it, but that doesnt make it proper.

And stupid ----s like you refuse to look beyond the cartoon version of
their service manual _Refrigeration_for_Dummys_. I am not disagreeing
that Freon is a registered trademark of DuPont. I *am* saying that their
branding was too good and for the majority of the population, including
the examples I provided of more than a score of engineering firms, Freon
is a generic term. It's not a matter of what is "Proper", simply a
reflection of what *is*.
>
>>On one hand I have your unsupported assertion that *NOBODY* in the
>>"Industry"
>>would ever use FREON in place of R-12 or dichlordiflouromethane.
>>Conversely I have provided 25 cites ( and that was just the tip of the
>>iceberg) showing common use of the term Freon for cfc based refrigerants.
>>Appeals to authority are not a valid argument technique, especially when
>>the authority is yourself.
>
> well i guess your little google search makes you the expert! :-)

I have never claimed expertise, I simply demonstrated the fundamental
error in your statement that the word Freon is NEVER used as a generic
term for CFCs/a Class of Refrigerants/a chemical compound.
>
>>Yep, the same mechanism disburses freon in the atmosphere :-)
> not comparable. youre talking about lifting scores of miles and thats not
> going to happen from typical winds.

Ok then, I am still waiting to see these puddles of freon of yours!

>
>>What prevents some portion of that which a fan lifted a couple of feet
>>from being further lifted by a breeze outside? You can't have your
>>argument both ways.
>
> the breeze doesnt blow from ground level to the ozone layer.
>
Metrology by Nate: Cumulo-Nimbus clouds do not exist! Just like Bill's
invisible force field at the equator which prevents any and all air
exchange between the hemispheres.
LMAO

--
jeff

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:qpwDe.7703$JJ.3149@trnddc09...
>
>>the preponderance of the links came back using the term Freon generically
>
> i can do a google and provide you with dozens of links to sites who
> celebrate adolph hitler as a hero. does that mean hitler was a hero? of
> course not.

Nice strawman, BUT, if you do the search you talk of, the fraction of
number of main-line historical hits compared to the nutball neo-****
hits is probably over 100:1. Not the same at all.

> "freon" is not used within the industry as anymore more than a
> brand name. they may use it so that ignorant ----s like you can read along
> and pretend you know something about it, but that doesnt make it proper.

And stupid ----s like you refuse to look beyond the cartoon version of
their service manual _Refrigeration_for_Dummys_. I am not disagreeing
that Freon is a registered trademark of DuPont. I *am* saying that their
branding was too good and for the majority of the population, including
the examples I provided of more than a score of engineering firms, Freon
is a generic term. It's not a matter of what is "Proper", simply a
reflection of what *is*.
>
>>On one hand I have your unsupported assertion that *NOBODY* in the
>>"Industry"
>>would ever use FREON in place of R-12 or dichlordiflouromethane.
>>Conversely I have provided 25 cites ( and that was just the tip of the
>>iceberg) showing common use of the term Freon for cfc based refrigerants.
>>Appeals to authority are not a valid argument technique, especially when
>>the authority is yourself.
>
> well i guess your little google search makes you the expert! :-)

I have never claimed expertise, I simply demonstrated the fundamental
error in your statement that the word Freon is NEVER used as a generic
term for CFCs/a Class of Refrigerants/a chemical compound.
>
>>Yep, the same mechanism disburses freon in the atmosphere :-)
> not comparable. youre talking about lifting scores of miles and thats not
> going to happen from typical winds.

Ok then, I am still waiting to see these puddles of freon of yours!

>
>>What prevents some portion of that which a fan lifted a couple of feet
>>from being further lifted by a breeze outside? You can't have your
>>argument both ways.
>
> the breeze doesnt blow from ground level to the ozone layer.
>
Metrology by Nate: Cumulo-Nimbus clouds do not exist! Just like Bill's
invisible force field at the equator which prevents any and all air
exchange between the hemispheres.
LMAO

--
jeff

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:qpwDe.7703$JJ.3149@trnddc09...
>
>>the preponderance of the links came back using the term Freon generically
>
> i can do a google and provide you with dozens of links to sites who
> celebrate adolph hitler as a hero. does that mean hitler was a hero? of
> course not.

Nice strawman, BUT, if you do the search you talk of, the fraction of
number of main-line historical hits compared to the nutball neo-****
hits is probably over 100:1. Not the same at all.

> "freon" is not used within the industry as anymore more than a
> brand name. they may use it so that ignorant ----s like you can read along
> and pretend you know something about it, but that doesnt make it proper.

And stupid ----s like you refuse to look beyond the cartoon version of
their service manual _Refrigeration_for_Dummys_. I am not disagreeing
that Freon is a registered trademark of DuPont. I *am* saying that their
branding was too good and for the majority of the population, including
the examples I provided of more than a score of engineering firms, Freon
is a generic term. It's not a matter of what is "Proper", simply a
reflection of what *is*.
>
>>On one hand I have your unsupported assertion that *NOBODY* in the
>>"Industry"
>>would ever use FREON in place of R-12 or dichlordiflouromethane.
>>Conversely I have provided 25 cites ( and that was just the tip of the
>>iceberg) showing common use of the term Freon for cfc based refrigerants.
>>Appeals to authority are not a valid argument technique, especially when
>>the authority is yourself.
>
> well i guess your little google search makes you the expert! :-)

I have never claimed expertise, I simply demonstrated the fundamental
error in your statement that the word Freon is NEVER used as a generic
term for CFCs/a Class of Refrigerants/a chemical compound.
>
>>Yep, the same mechanism disburses freon in the atmosphere :-)
> not comparable. youre talking about lifting scores of miles and thats not
> going to happen from typical winds.

Ok then, I am still waiting to see these puddles of freon of yours!

>
>>What prevents some portion of that which a fan lifted a couple of feet
>>from being further lifted by a breeze outside? You can't have your
>>argument both ways.
>
> the breeze doesnt blow from ground level to the ozone layer.
>
Metrology by Nate: Cumulo-Nimbus clouds do not exist! Just like Bill's
invisible force field at the equator which prevents any and all air
exchange between the hemispheres.
LMAO

--
jeff

 

"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:DiNDe.13026$N91.269@trnddc08...
> Nice strawman

not a strawman. i was making the point that you can find websites to
support most any view you care to take. that doesnt make it factual.


> And stupid ----s like you refuse to look beyond the cartoon version of
> their service manual _Refrigeration_for_Dummys_.

this coming from someone arguing a point about an industry he's totally
ignorant in because of what he read on google. ha! :-)


> I *am* saying that their branding was too good and for the majority of the
> population, including the examples I provided of more than a score of
> engineering firms, Freon is a generic term.

only to the _ignorant_ which is what ive stated from the beginning. using
the term is why i called you ignorant. defending its usage as industry
terminology in the face of someone within the industry telling you otherwise
is what makes you an ignorant ----.


> I simply demonstrated the fundamental error in your statement that the
> word Freon is NEVER used as a generic term for CFCs/a Class of
> Refrigerants/a chemical compound.

i didnt say it was never used. i said it was never used within the
industry. BOTTOM LINE, you stated "freon is a compound". dictionary.com
defines freon as a trademark.


> Ok then, I am still waiting to see these puddles of freon of yours!

concentration. i know that the wind will blow it around a mix it up, but
its not going to carry it all the way to the ozone layer. do you have any
idea how short the life of chlorine is in sunlight?

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http://BighornRefrigeration.com