Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
>>No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
>>deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
>
> _wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
> something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
> _wrong_.
I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
chemistry.
>
>>You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
>
> show me.

Happy to help:
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Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
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"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Who said anything about adding stuff? All we were talking
> about was mixing!

yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

did I see MIXTURE???
>
>>I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
>>generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
>>know what you are talking about.
>
> exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
> or refrigerants.

Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
to? If so, then the term was sufficient.

> if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
> something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
> about.
Likewise, if you want to be the big man and discuss science there is a
lot of terminology and concepts you have to get straight.
>_nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
> brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.

Since you wanted to quibble a term which is very much in the common
vernacular, in subsequent posts I switched to Dichlordiflouromethane. I
even drew you a picture so we could agree on common terms. Regardless,
it is still a compound, and can in no way be characterized as a
"mixture". Also, not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher
specific gravity/ than their constituent elements, so you are wrong on
two accounts.

>>An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)

No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.

>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
Yee-Ha, I got a "liberal lame"! apparently anyone who thinks you are a
dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
>>No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
>>deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
>
> _wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
> something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
> _wrong_.
I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
chemistry.
>
>>You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
>
> show me.

Happy to help:
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From: "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJee...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
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"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:aymAe.350$zw4.217@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com. ..

> Who said anything about adding stuff? All we were talking
> about was mixing!

yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

did I see MIXTURE???
>
>>I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
>>generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
>>know what you are talking about.
>
> exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
> or refrigerants.

Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
to? If so, then the term was sufficient.

> if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
> something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
> about.
Likewise, if you want to be the big man and discuss science there is a
lot of terminology and concepts you have to get straight.
>_nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
> brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.

Since you wanted to quibble a term which is very much in the common
vernacular, in subsequent posts I switched to Dichlordiflouromethane. I
even drew you a picture so we could agree on common terms. Regardless,
it is still a compound, and can in no way be characterized as a
"mixture". Also, not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher
specific gravity/ than their constituent elements, so you are wrong on
two accounts.

>>An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)

No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.

>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
Yee-Ha, I got a "liberal lame"! apparently anyone who thinks you are a
dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
>>No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
>>deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
>
> _wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
> something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
> _wrong_.
I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
chemistry.
>
>>You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
>
> show me.

Happy to help:
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From: "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJee...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
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"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:aymAe.350$zw4.217@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com. ..

> Who said anything about adding stuff? All we were talking
> about was mixing!

yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

did I see MIXTURE???
>
>>I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
>>generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
>>know what you are talking about.
>
> exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
> or refrigerants.

Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
to? If so, then the term was sufficient.

> if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
> something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
> about.
Likewise, if you want to be the big man and discuss science there is a
lot of terminology and concepts you have to get straight.
>_nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
> brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.

Since you wanted to quibble a term which is very much in the common
vernacular, in subsequent posts I switched to Dichlordiflouromethane. I
even drew you a picture so we could agree on common terms. Regardless,
it is still a compound, and can in no way be characterized as a
"mixture". Also, not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher
specific gravity/ than their constituent elements, so you are wrong on
two accounts.

>>An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)

No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.

>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
Yee-Ha, I got a "liberal lame"! apparently anyone who thinks you are a
dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...

 

So as you asserted that "refrigeration" has nothing to do with "HVAC," why
is "refrigerant" proper terminology for the industy?

"refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.
>
>
>> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

 

So as you asserted that "refrigeration" has nothing to do with "HVAC," why
is "refrigerant" proper terminology for the industy?

"refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.
>
>
>> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

 

So as you asserted that "refrigeration" has nothing to do with "HVAC," why
is "refrigerant" proper terminology for the industy?

"refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.
>
>
>> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

 

So as you asserted that "refrigeration" has nothing to do with "HVAC," why
is "refrigerant" proper terminology for the industy?

"refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.
>
>
>> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

 

"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:m1WBe.65$N91.52@trnddc08...
> I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
> chemistry.

i didnt call you on the chemistry. i called you on the terminology. stay
on track.


>> yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
> all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> did I see MIXTURE???

to clarify...look right before that where i said it is a compound. mixture
was added as further explanation but i clearly stated "refrigerant is a
compound".


> Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
> to? If so, then the term was sufficient.

only to the ignorant.


> not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher specific gravity/ than
> their constituent elements, so you are wrong on two accounts.

show me where i ever said ALL compounds were heavier. im referencing
refrigerants.


> No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
> specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.

and many people recognize a "gat" as a gun....doesnt make it proper.


> apparently anyone who thinks you are a dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...

nope. just you and your liberal buddy stephen. :-)


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com

 

"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:m1WBe.65$N91.52@trnddc08...
> I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
> chemistry.

i didnt call you on the chemistry. i called you on the terminology. stay
on track.


>> yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
> all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> did I see MIXTURE???

to clarify...look right before that where i said it is a compound. mixture
was added as further explanation but i clearly stated "refrigerant is a
compound".


> Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
> to? If so, then the term was sufficient.

only to the ignorant.


> not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher specific gravity/ than
> their constituent elements, so you are wrong on two accounts.

show me where i ever said ALL compounds were heavier. im referencing
refrigerants.


> No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
> specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.

and many people recognize a "gat" as a gun....doesnt make it proper.


> apparently anyone who thinks you are a dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...

nope. just you and your liberal buddy stephen. :-)


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com

 

"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:m1WBe.65$N91.52@trnddc08...
> I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
> chemistry.

i didnt call you on the chemistry. i called you on the terminology. stay
on track.


>> yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
> all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> did I see MIXTURE???

to clarify...look right before that where i said it is a compound. mixture
was added as further explanation but i clearly stated "refrigerant is a
compound".


> Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
> to? If so, then the term was sufficient.

only to the ignorant.


> not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher specific gravity/ than
> their constituent elements, so you are wrong on two accounts.

show me where i ever said ALL compounds were heavier. im referencing
refrigerants.


> No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
> specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.

and many people recognize a "gat" as a gun....doesnt make it proper.


> apparently anyone who thinks you are a dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...

nope. just you and your liberal buddy stephen. :-)


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com