134a Refrigerant
07-15-2005 | 03:23 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Your deductive powers are seriously flawed!
The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
assertion. Show the flaws.
> You really need help, grabbing for straws like this.
straws???
>>Here is what you wrote:
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >Just so you now know, the volume change created by mixing is their
>> > new density.
>>
>>Let's parse your statement:
>>[Just so you now know,] Non-sequitur. Ignore
>>
>>[created by mixing] Qualifier, we can take that out.
>>which leaves the meat or your statement:
>>
>>volume change is their new density.
>>
>>If you want to divide it up a little finer, the [change] and [their new]
>> are simply descriptors referring th the new state and can be dropped.
>>
>>this leaves "volume is density"
>>
>>Perhaps you would like to rephrase it in a more coherent and cohesive
>>manner?
> Your deductive powers are seriously flawed!
The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
assertion. Show the flaws.
> You really need help, grabbing for straws like this.
straws???
>>Here is what you wrote:
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>> >Just so you now know, the volume change created by mixing is their
>> > new density.
>>
>>Let's parse your statement:
>>[Just so you now know,] Non-sequitur. Ignore
>>
>>[created by mixing] Qualifier, we can take that out.
>>which leaves the meat or your statement:
>>
>>volume change is their new density.
>>
>>If you want to divide it up a little finer, the [change] and [their new]
>> are simply descriptors referring th the new state and can be dropped.
>>
>>this leaves "volume is density"
>>
>>Perhaps you would like to rephrase it in a more coherent and cohesive
>>manner?
07-15-2005 | 04:11 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
You really think you may substitute "equal" for "is" in my
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
07-15-2005 | 04:11 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
You really think you may substitute "equal" for "is" in my
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
07-15-2005 | 04:11 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
You really think you may substitute "equal" for "is" in my
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
07-15-2005 | 04:11 PM
#3205
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
You really think you may substitute "equal" for "is" in my
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
statement "volume change is their new
density"??????????????????????????? That does not make volume equal
density, no more than an apple equals and orange. Dense!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jeff wrote:
>
> The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers
> involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core
> assertion. Show the flaws.
07-15-2005 | 04:34 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
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> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
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http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
07-15-2005 | 04:34 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
07-15-2005 | 04:34 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
07-15-2005 | 04:34 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
> No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
> deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
_wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
_wrong_.
> You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
show me.
> I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
> generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
> know what you are talking about.
exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
or refrigerants. if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
about. _nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
would defend it.
> An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
07-15-2005 | 05:38 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
>>No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
>>deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
>
> _wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
> something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
> _wrong_.
I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
chemistry.
>
>>You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
>
> show me.
Happy to help:
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Subject: Re: 134a Refrigerant
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"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Who said anything about adding stuff? All we were talking
> about was mixing!
yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
did I see MIXTURE???
>
>>I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
>>generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
>>know what you are talking about.
>
> exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
> or refrigerants.
Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
to? If so, then the term was sufficient.
> if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
> something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
> about.
Likewise, if you want to be the big man and discuss science there is a
lot of terminology and concepts you have to get straight.
>_nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
> brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.
Since you wanted to quibble a term which is very much in the common
vernacular, in subsequent posts I switched to Dichlordiflouromethane. I
even drew you a picture so we could agree on common terms. Regardless,
it is still a compound, and can in no way be characterized as a
"mixture". Also, not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher
specific gravity/ than their constituent elements, so you are wrong on
two accounts.
>>An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.
>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
Yee-Ha, I got a "liberal lame"! apparently anyone who thinks you are a
dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...
> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:9SQBe.9$N91.5@trnddc08...
>>No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little ***** attempting to
>>deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia.
>
> _wrong_. if youre going to step into my industry and try to explain
> something to me youd better do your homework first. your statement was
> _wrong_.
I didn't know one had to be an AC/HVAC/Refrigeration tech to understand
chemistry.
>
>>You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures.
>
> show me.
Happy to help:
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"Stephen Cowell" <scow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Who said anything about adding stuff? All we were talking
> about was mixing!
yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a MIXTURE and when you add up
all the components they are heavier than the individual components.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
did I see MIXTURE???
>
>>I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so
>>generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly
>>know what you are talking about.
>
> exactly....the "common man" typically doesnt know ---- about refrigeration
> or refrigerants.
Do they recognize the word "Freon" and understand what you are referring
to? If so, then the term was sufficient.
> if you want to talk the talk like the big man who knows
> something about either youd better step up and learn what youre talking
> about.
Likewise, if you want to be the big man and discuss science there is a
lot of terminology and concepts you have to get straight.
>_nobody_ within the industry uses the term "freon" because it is a
> brand name. "refrigerant" is both the proper terminoloy _and_ the commonly
> used reference by those who know what theyre talking about. only those
> ignorant to the industry would use the word "freon" and only the foolish
> would defend it.
Since you wanted to quibble a term which is very much in the common
vernacular, in subsequent posts I switched to Dichlordiflouromethane. I
even drew you a picture so we could agree on common terms. Regardless,
it is still a compound, and can in no way be characterized as a
"mixture". Also, not all compounds are heavier/denser/have a higher
specific gravity/ than their constituent elements, so you are wrong on
two accounts.
>>An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon.
>
> lol well there it is.....ebay = biblical credibility! :-)
No, just a demonstration that reasonable people recognize freon-12 as a
specific entity, and by in-large use the term generically.
>
> oh wait im sorry, you liberals have no use for such foolishness.
>
Yee-Ha, I got a "liberal lame"! apparently anyone who thinks you are a
dumbass must be a <spit> liberal...