134a Refrigerant
07-12-2005 | 06:07 PM
#2941
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Geez, I guess you never had to add and additive (alcohol) to your
gas tank to suck up water, to pass it though the system.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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jeff wrote:
>
gas tank to suck up water, to pass it though the system.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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jeff wrote:
>
07-12-2005 | 07:06 PM
#2942
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Jeff, This is America and you certainly have the right to disagree. You
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
07-12-2005 | 07:06 PM
#2943
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Jeff, This is America and you certainly have the right to disagree. You
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
07-12-2005 | 07:06 PM
#2944
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Jeff, This is America and you certainly have the right to disagree. You
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
07-12-2005 | 07:06 PM
#2945
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Jeff, This is America and you certainly have the right to disagree. You
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are
incorrect in your disagreement.
I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this
question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education
Department for a 8 year old..
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03197.htm
"jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
news:1QVAe.17423$Zy6.1897@trnddc04...
> BillyRay wrote:
>> Close but no. Miscibility only is a reference to the solutions ability
>> to mix. The answer is the alcohol molecules are smaller than water
>> molecules and some will "fit" in between the water molecules
>>
>> "jeff" <jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:%nOAe.7548$8N5.311@trnddc09...
>>
>>>BillyRay wrote:
>>>
>>>>How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS
>>>>than 2 cups of the mixed materials?
>>>Miscibility.
>
> I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there
> is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so
> they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are
> immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake
> it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three
> definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a
> single phase solution.
>
> 1) immiscible. immiscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal
> volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two
> layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of
> the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added
> to the mixture.
>
> 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together
> results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers
> of liquid.
>
> 3) partial miscibility.
> Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of
> the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of
> liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of
> the liquids originally added.
>
> --
> jeff
07-12-2005 | 11:16 PM
#2946
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42D33795.8FB7BFA3@***.net...
> You want to know why our Earth keeps spinning and the comet we
> just hit doesn't? We have a molten iron core which is discribe by many
> as a dynamo, it generates gravity, you probably think it's relative to
> electromagnetics somewhere above eleventh dimension, quantum mechanics,
> and string theories. I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you.
Bill, adjust the foil, you're losing your edge!
__
Steve
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07-12-2005 | 11:16 PM
#2947
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42D33795.8FB7BFA3@***.net...
> You want to know why our Earth keeps spinning and the comet we
> just hit doesn't? We have a molten iron core which is discribe by many
> as a dynamo, it generates gravity, you probably think it's relative to
> electromagnetics somewhere above eleventh dimension, quantum mechanics,
> and string theories. I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you.
Bill, adjust the foil, you're losing your edge!
__
Steve
..
07-12-2005 | 11:16 PM
#2948
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42D33795.8FB7BFA3@***.net...
> You want to know why our Earth keeps spinning and the comet we
> just hit doesn't? We have a molten iron core which is discribe by many
> as a dynamo, it generates gravity, you probably think it's relative to
> electromagnetics somewhere above eleventh dimension, quantum mechanics,
> and string theories. I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you.
Bill, adjust the foil, you're losing your edge!
__
Steve
..
07-12-2005 | 11:16 PM
#2949
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42D33795.8FB7BFA3@***.net...
> You want to know why our Earth keeps spinning and the comet we
> just hit doesn't? We have a molten iron core which is discribe by many
> as a dynamo, it generates gravity, you probably think it's relative to
> electromagnetics somewhere above eleventh dimension, quantum mechanics,
> and string theories. I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you.
Bill, adjust the foil, you're losing your edge!
__
Steve
..
07-12-2005 | 11:20 PM
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:ysmdnV5R4qpzMU7fRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> 1 + 1 = 2. 2 is heavier than 1.
>
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Z5GAe.506$Bo3.402@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:lOadnaNtQYvNbU_fRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> > Nathan, quick question...if you mix two compounds, the sum of the two
> > compounds by definition would be heavier, but would the mixture be heavier
> > per unit volume?
>
> Heavier than the components summed individually?
> Perhaps you can tell us where the extra weight
> comes from!
2 is not heavier than 1+1... that's the point.
Original post:
>yeah no ----! refrigerant is a compound, a
>MIXTURE and when you add up all
>the components they are heavier than
>the individual components.
For one thing, Freon is not a 'mixture'... that's
the wrong term. Freon is a chemical compound...
and the combined components are not heavier
than the original components. Basic chemistry.
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Steve
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