no kiddin, except when I'm driving ;)

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>> had a couple too many beers
>
>in montana there is no such thing as to many beers. :-)
>
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no kiddin, except when I'm driving ;)

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>> had a couple too many beers
>
>in montana there is no such thing as to many beers. :-)
>
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no kiddin, except when I'm driving ;)

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>> had a couple too many beers
>
>in montana there is no such thing as to many beers. :-)
>
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well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:

"but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to be
well established facts"

Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err on
the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
> > starving...
> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that doesn't
> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
> > book.
>
> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the depletion
> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it all
> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>

 

well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:

"but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to be
well established facts"

Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err on
the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
> > starving...
> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that doesn't
> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
> > book.
>
> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the depletion
> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it all
> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>

 

well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:

"but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to be
well established facts"

Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err on
the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
> > starving...
> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that doesn't
> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
> > book.
>
> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the depletion
> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it all
> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>

 

well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:

"but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to be
well established facts"

Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err on
the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
> > starving...
> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that doesn't
> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
> > book.
>
> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the depletion
> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it all
> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
> > starving...
> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that doesn't
> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
> > book.
>
> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the depletion
> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it all
> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
> deemed "bad" for the environment.

Can you show us a link giving that information as
a scientific result? I didn't think so...

Here's a link:

http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html

<>
Several pieces of evidence combine to establish human-produced halocarbons
as the primary source of stratospheric chlorine. First, measurements have
shown that the chlorinated species that rise to the stratosphere are
primarily manufactured compounds [mainly CFCs, carbon tetrachloride, methyl
chloroform, and the hydrochlorofluorocarbon (HCFC) substitutes for CFCs],
together with small amounts of hydrochloric acid (HCl) and methyl chloride
(CH3Cl), which are partly natural in origin. Second, researchers have
measured nearly all known gases containing chlorine in the stratosphere.
They have found that the emissions of the human-produced halocarbons, plus
the much smaller contribution from natural sources, could account for all of
the stratospheric chlorine. Third, the increase in total stratospheric
chlorine measured between 1980 and 1998 corresponds to the known increases
in concentrations of human-produced halocarbons during that time.
</>

Evidently *someone* has been measuring stratospheric
chlorine since the early '80s... I wonder how?
__
Steve
..

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
> > starving...
> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that doesn't
> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
> > book.
>
> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the depletion
> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it all
> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
> deemed "bad" for the environment.

Can you show us a link giving that information as
a scientific result? I didn't think so...

Here's a link:

http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html

<>
Several pieces of evidence combine to establish human-produced halocarbons
as the primary source of stratospheric chlorine. First, measurements have
shown that the chlorinated species that rise to the stratosphere are
primarily manufactured compounds [mainly CFCs, carbon tetrachloride, methyl
chloroform, and the hydrochlorofluorocarbon (HCFC) substitutes for CFCs],
together with small amounts of hydrochloric acid (HCl) and methyl chloride
(CH3Cl), which are partly natural in origin. Second, researchers have
measured nearly all known gases containing chlorine in the stratosphere.
They have found that the emissions of the human-produced halocarbons, plus
the much smaller contribution from natural sources, could account for all of
the stratospheric chlorine. Third, the increase in total stratospheric
chlorine measured between 1980 and 1998 corresponds to the known increases
in concentrations of human-produced halocarbons during that time.
</>

Evidently *someone* has been measuring stratospheric
chlorine since the early '80s... I wonder how?
__
Steve
..

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
> > starving...
> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that doesn't
> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
> > book.
>
> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the depletion
> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it all
> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
> deemed "bad" for the environment.

Can you show us a link giving that information as
a scientific result? I didn't think so...

Here's a link:

http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html

<>
Several pieces of evidence combine to establish human-produced halocarbons
as the primary source of stratospheric chlorine. First, measurements have
shown that the chlorinated species that rise to the stratosphere are
primarily manufactured compounds [mainly CFCs, carbon tetrachloride, methyl
chloroform, and the hydrochlorofluorocarbon (HCFC) substitutes for CFCs],
together with small amounts of hydrochloric acid (HCl) and methyl chloride
(CH3Cl), which are partly natural in origin. Second, researchers have
measured nearly all known gases containing chlorine in the stratosphere.
They have found that the emissions of the human-produced halocarbons, plus
the much smaller contribution from natural sources, could account for all of
the stratospheric chlorine. Third, the increase in total stratospheric
chlorine measured between 1980 and 1998 corresponds to the known increases
in concentrations of human-produced halocarbons during that time.
</>

Evidently *someone* has been measuring stratospheric
chlorine since the early '80s... I wonder how?
__
Steve
..