Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

In article <q7oi70t14kc837a1lc82husgsl46dfqb8k@4ax.com>,
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

> eople are gay. In America, that fact cannot be used for
> discrimination under the 14th Amendment. You don't have to like us
> GLBT people. You are free to call us names, refuse to have us in your
> churches, and gnash your teeth at every mention of a gay man oe woman.
> But you cannot enshrine your hatred in law.

As far as that goes, I'm perfectly willing to come to a compromise on
the gay marriage thing. How about this: let marriage be legal under
federal and state laws, yet allow churches, under the general doctrine
of separation of church and state, to have the final say in whom they
will and will not marry. If a couple in a church as a priest or minister
for his blessing and he refuses to give it, that is, as far as I am
concerned, entirely within his rights as a religious leader to do. I
don't care who the people are or the reasons for his refusal.

So if Adam and Steve were to walk into a Baptist church and ask to get
married -- an absolutely ridiculous notion which I'm certain some pair
of twits will try purely for its value as political theater -- the
minister could have the deacons show them the door. Perfectly fine with
me.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
http://www.timberwoof.com
Baloney Detection Kit: http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

In article <q7oi70t14kc837a1lc82husgsl46dfqb8k@4ax.com>,
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

> eople are gay. In America, that fact cannot be used for
> discrimination under the 14th Amendment. You don't have to like us
> GLBT people. You are free to call us names, refuse to have us in your
> churches, and gnash your teeth at every mention of a gay man oe woman.
> But you cannot enshrine your hatred in law.

As far as that goes, I'm perfectly willing to come to a compromise on
the gay marriage thing. How about this: let marriage be legal under
federal and state laws, yet allow churches, under the general doctrine
of separation of church and state, to have the final say in whom they
will and will not marry. If a couple in a church as a priest or minister
for his blessing and he refuses to give it, that is, as far as I am
concerned, entirely within his rights as a religious leader to do. I
don't care who the people are or the reasons for his refusal.

So if Adam and Steve were to walk into a Baptist church and ask to get
married -- an absolutely ridiculous notion which I'm certain some pair
of twits will try purely for its value as political theater -- the
minister could have the deacons show them the door. Perfectly fine with
me.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
http://www.timberwoof.com
Baloney Detection Kit: http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

In article <q7oi70t14kc837a1lc82husgsl46dfqb8k@4ax.com>,
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

> eople are gay. In America, that fact cannot be used for
> discrimination under the 14th Amendment. You don't have to like us
> GLBT people. You are free to call us names, refuse to have us in your
> churches, and gnash your teeth at every mention of a gay man oe woman.
> But you cannot enshrine your hatred in law.

As far as that goes, I'm perfectly willing to come to a compromise on
the gay marriage thing. How about this: let marriage be legal under
federal and state laws, yet allow churches, under the general doctrine
of separation of church and state, to have the final say in whom they
will and will not marry. If a couple in a church as a priest or minister
for his blessing and he refuses to give it, that is, as far as I am
concerned, entirely within his rights as a religious leader to do. I
don't care who the people are or the reasons for his refusal.

So if Adam and Steve were to walk into a Baptist church and ask to get
married -- an absolutely ridiculous notion which I'm certain some pair
of twits will try purely for its value as political theater -- the
minister could have the deacons show them the door. Perfectly fine with
me.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
http://www.timberwoof.com
Baloney Detection Kit: http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

It sets a bad "precedent".
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:1vni709rqhj3upql96p3mi32e8sfks8pd3@4ax.com...
> Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC), a
> stranger called by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told
> this tale in alt.atheism
>
> >Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >news:j33g70tv1ht94n3q5fl5ngiheoj1opci8j@4ax.com :
>
> >> No, you state that gays can already get married (infering that you
> >> mean to members of the opposite ---.) This sort of restriction, based
> >> on race, was struck down by the Supreme Court.
> >
> >Yet sexual behavior has nothing to do with race.
>
> It's called precident. The precident has been set that marriage is a
> fundamental civil right, which is protected by the 14th Amendment.
>
> Sterile people can get married. Prisoners on death row can get
> married. People in their 90s can get married. In three states you can
> marry a 12 year old girl with her parent's permission. Tell me,
> specifically, how same---- marriage will harm the institution of
> marriage?
> --
>
> Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
> Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

It sets a bad "precedent".
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:1vni709rqhj3upql96p3mi32e8sfks8pd3@4ax.com...
> Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC), a
> stranger called by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told
> this tale in alt.atheism
>
> >Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >news:j33g70tv1ht94n3q5fl5ngiheoj1opci8j@4ax.com :
>
> >> No, you state that gays can already get married (infering that you
> >> mean to members of the opposite ---.) This sort of restriction, based
> >> on race, was struck down by the Supreme Court.
> >
> >Yet sexual behavior has nothing to do with race.
>
> It's called precident. The precident has been set that marriage is a
> fundamental civil right, which is protected by the 14th Amendment.
>
> Sterile people can get married. Prisoners on death row can get
> married. People in their 90s can get married. In three states you can
> marry a 12 year old girl with her parent's permission. Tell me,
> specifically, how same---- marriage will harm the institution of
> marriage?
> --
>
> Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
> Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

It sets a bad "precedent".
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:1vni709rqhj3upql96p3mi32e8sfks8pd3@4ax.com...
> Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC), a
> stranger called by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told
> this tale in alt.atheism
>
> >Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >news:j33g70tv1ht94n3q5fl5ngiheoj1opci8j@4ax.com :
>
> >> No, you state that gays can already get married (infering that you
> >> mean to members of the opposite ---.) This sort of restriction, based
> >> on race, was struck down by the Supreme Court.
> >
> >Yet sexual behavior has nothing to do with race.
>
> It's called precident. The precident has been set that marriage is a
> fundamental civil right, which is protected by the 14th Amendment.
>
> Sterile people can get married. Prisoners on death row can get
> married. People in their 90s can get married. In three states you can
> marry a 12 year old girl with her parent's permission. Tell me,
> specifically, how same---- marriage will harm the institution of
> marriage?
> --
>
> Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
> Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

It sets a bad "precedent".
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:1vni709rqhj3upql96p3mi32e8sfks8pd3@4ax.com...
> Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC), a
> stranger called by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told
> this tale in alt.atheism
>
> >Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >news:j33g70tv1ht94n3q5fl5ngiheoj1opci8j@4ax.com :
>
> >> No, you state that gays can already get married (infering that you
> >> mean to members of the opposite ---.) This sort of restriction, based
> >> on race, was struck down by the Supreme Court.
> >
> >Yet sexual behavior has nothing to do with race.
>
> It's called precident. The precident has been set that marriage is a
> fundamental civil right, which is protected by the 14th Amendment.
>
> Sterile people can get married. Prisoners on death row can get
> married. People in their 90s can get married. In three states you can
> marry a 12 year old girl with her parent's permission. Tell me,
> specifically, how same---- marriage will harm the institution of
> marriage?
> --
>
> Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
> Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

In article <Xns94C7F12CA1697xomicron@0.0.0.1>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@macNoSpam.com> wrote in
> news:dfritzin-8DED9E.08281810042004@orngca-news04.socal.rr.com:
>
> > In article <Xns94C77B09A2361xomicron@0.0.0.3>,
> > Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
> >
> >> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >> news:j03g70duepps3kdv9rhe64k5h70m2jrlvv@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> > Lo, many moons past, on 10 Apr 2004 02:47:08 GMT, a stranger called
> >> > by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told this tale in
> >> > alt.atheism
> >> >
> >> >> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:6ige70ln89to48ik47077qccu5rg3etjpo@4ax.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Lo, many moons past, on 9 Apr 2004 17:06:11 GMT, a stranger called
> >> >>> by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told this tale in
> >> >>> alt.atheism
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> Just not to the person they want to.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> There's no law that says a person can marry whoever they want.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually, there is.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, there isn't.
> >> >
> >> > You snipped this:
> >> >
> >> > "It's called the 14th Amendment, and the SCOTUS made it clear that
> >> > marriage is a fundamental right protected by the 14th."
> >> >
> >> > Afraid of the facts?
> >>
> >> Your "facts" have nothing to do with same---- marriage.
> >
> > Again, to the question you seem to be very anxious to avoid, Snubis. How
> > does the state allowing same---- marriage harm your marriage. I would
> > assume that no individual religion would be forced to accept same----
> > marriage, just that the people involved would get the same rights and
> > obligations as opposite---- married couples. Now, please answer the
> > question. How on earth does this harm your marriage?
>
> The facts that homosexuality is legal harms society.

Just because you make the statement doesn't make it true. Could you back
up your ridiculous assertion? I didn't think so.

--
Dave Fritzinger

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

In article <Xns94C7F12CA1697xomicron@0.0.0.1>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@macNoSpam.com> wrote in
> news:dfritzin-8DED9E.08281810042004@orngca-news04.socal.rr.com:
>
> > In article <Xns94C77B09A2361xomicron@0.0.0.3>,
> > Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
> >
> >> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >> news:j03g70duepps3kdv9rhe64k5h70m2jrlvv@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> > Lo, many moons past, on 10 Apr 2004 02:47:08 GMT, a stranger called
> >> > by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told this tale in
> >> > alt.atheism
> >> >
> >> >> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:6ige70ln89to48ik47077qccu5rg3etjpo@4ax.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Lo, many moons past, on 9 Apr 2004 17:06:11 GMT, a stranger called
> >> >>> by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told this tale in
> >> >>> alt.atheism
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> Just not to the person they want to.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> There's no law that says a person can marry whoever they want.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually, there is.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, there isn't.
> >> >
> >> > You snipped this:
> >> >
> >> > "It's called the 14th Amendment, and the SCOTUS made it clear that
> >> > marriage is a fundamental right protected by the 14th."
> >> >
> >> > Afraid of the facts?
> >>
> >> Your "facts" have nothing to do with same---- marriage.
> >
> > Again, to the question you seem to be very anxious to avoid, Snubis. How
> > does the state allowing same---- marriage harm your marriage. I would
> > assume that no individual religion would be forced to accept same----
> > marriage, just that the people involved would get the same rights and
> > obligations as opposite---- married couples. Now, please answer the
> > question. How on earth does this harm your marriage?
>
> The facts that homosexuality is legal harms society.

Just because you make the statement doesn't make it true. Could you back
up your ridiculous assertion? I didn't think so.

--
Dave Fritzinger

Re: [OT] No fresh meat for Florida faggots
 

In article <Xns94C7F12CA1697xomicron@0.0.0.1>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@macNoSpam.com> wrote in
> news:dfritzin-8DED9E.08281810042004@orngca-news04.socal.rr.com:
>
> > In article <Xns94C77B09A2361xomicron@0.0.0.3>,
> > Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
> >
> >> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >> news:j03g70duepps3kdv9rhe64k5h70m2jrlvv@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> > Lo, many moons past, on 10 Apr 2004 02:47:08 GMT, a stranger called
> >> > by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told this tale in
> >> > alt.atheism
> >> >
> >> >> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:6ige70ln89to48ik47077qccu5rg3etjpo@4ax.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Lo, many moons past, on 9 Apr 2004 17:06:11 GMT, a stranger called
> >> >>> by some Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> came forth and told this tale in
> >> >>> alt.atheism
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> Just not to the person they want to.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> There's no law that says a person can marry whoever they want.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually, there is.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, there isn't.
> >> >
> >> > You snipped this:
> >> >
> >> > "It's called the 14th Amendment, and the SCOTUS made it clear that
> >> > marriage is a fundamental right protected by the 14th."
> >> >
> >> > Afraid of the facts?
> >>
> >> Your "facts" have nothing to do with same---- marriage.
> >
> > Again, to the question you seem to be very anxious to avoid, Snubis. How
> > does the state allowing same---- marriage harm your marriage. I would
> > assume that no individual religion would be forced to accept same----
> > marriage, just that the people involved would get the same rights and
> > obligations as opposite---- married couples. Now, please answer the
> > question. How on earth does this harm your marriage?
>
> The facts that homosexuality is legal harms society.

Just because you make the statement doesn't make it true. Could you back
up your ridiculous assertion? I didn't think so.

--
Dave Fritzinger